Bye bye Starmer

[ZedLeg]

Depends on your priorities I guess.

I’ve been pretty vocal on what I don’t like about Starmer’s Labour and they’ve never convinced me that I was wrong.

[Alex88]

Labour MP's are fooling themselves if they think changing leader will make any meaningful difference. New leader, same poisoned chalice.

It'll just be continuation of chaos until we get to the next GE, in which a bomb will be thrown into government.

TBF, I do think it's become exceedingly difficult to govern.

[Beany]

It's almost like Labour learned nothing about how to handle the press from the Corbyn days.

As noted, the general performance of them has been broadly OK, with significant, individual fuckups that go completely against the ostensible party ethos, causing traditional labour supporters to get annoyed with them, and that then leaves them wide open for the right wing press - some 80% of circulation - to either rip them to shreds, or openly lie and put an apology on page 23 when caught out.

They're incompetent at handling their PR and I don't understand how they aren't better at it by now. They should be rolling over the Tories (and reform, frankly, given the immigration wins lately) but you hear fucking nothing about it.

Much as though I have a deep seated hatred for Blairs lot, at least they had the press mostly under control.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Labour MP's are fooling themselves if they think changing leader will make any meaningful difference. New leader, same poisoned chalice.

It'll just be continuation of chaos until we get to the next GE, in which a bomb will be thrown into government.

TBF, I do think it's become exceedingly difficult to govern.

Yep. And the media cop for a lot of the blame on why it's becoming ungovernable - continually hounding Ministers over any mistake, sign of weakness, or feelings of unpopularity amongst the masses - but the MPs themselves enable it. This is only happening because there are some within the Labour Party that are desperate for power themselves.

If it wasn't for the woeful handling of the economy I reckon he'd be fairly safe - that's why he's currently as deeply unpopular as he is, nationally.

[dinny_g]

Funny how, prior to 2024, the reason the country was ungovernable was because the Conservative Party couldn't govern it.

Now, apparently, it's the media's fault

[Mito Man]

They’ve had too many stupid scandals again, and then not handled the aftermath well. Can’t blame the media when it’s their job to scrutinise these things.
Starmer did a piss poor job of running the ship and keeping his crew in line.

[DeskJockey]

Scrutiny is one thing. The hounding relentlessness of the right-leaning/right-wing press is a different matter.

[Mito Man]

But that's what the people want. This is a natural progression of democracy, freedom, equal rights and inclusivity. You no longer have a country all filled with broadly similarly thinking people, and there is the luxury of decades of peacetime and relative prosperity which allow for this to happen. All part of being a pluralistic society.

[Swervin_Mervin]

But that's what the people want. This is a natural progression of democracy, freedom, equal rights and inclusivity. You no longer have a country all filled with broadly similarly thinking people, and there is the luxury of decades of peacetime and relative prosperity which allow for this to happen. All part of being a pluralistic society.

Gets to the heart of matters I think. It's why the Tories were fractured over Europe and it's now why Labour is fractured and eating itself from the inside.

There's going to be some rough times ahead. I wonder whether one outcome of the next GE may be another referendum on a switch to Proportional Representation, given the apparent fragmentation of the vote.

[ZedLeg]

It’s hard to say it’s democracy when it’s becoming increasingly clear that right wing businessmen and governments have been sinking 10s of millions of dollars into attacking progressive politics all over the world imo.