Hey, if it's good enough for my bank manager, it's good enough for Brexit!NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:42 pm I think “I’m not telling you because it won’t stand up to analysis” is my new favourite.
Bye Bye Boris!
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I don't know mate. The 'I've already told you before and won't spend 30 seconds to tell you again despite feeling incredibly strongly about a cause I support fully but won't say why twice' takes some beating.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:42 pm I think “I’m not telling you because it won’t stand up to analysis” is my new favourite.
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Well, he's assured us that we won't starve and people with medications that need to be imported probably won't die.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:37 pm Hopefully Boris’ £2.1Bn preparation will include spelling out the benefits in great detail to us non-believers.
Don't know about you but I'm convinced.
TBH this switch to horror show assurances has been quite refreshing compared to the bullshit they peddled through the campaign .
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“We made it through the war, we can make it through this” - People who were born post-war deliberately choosing to make things worse whilst being incapable of explaining the benefits.
“They lock you up if you say you’re English, don’t they, Stu?” - *checks Venn diagram*
“They lock you up if you say you’re English, don’t they, Stu?” - *checks Venn diagram*
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What opportunities do you foresee and how long until the dust settles? Genuinely curious about how you see things going.
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Head <---> brick wall.
I imagine that a lot of people don't know why they voted Brexit beyond some vague notion of what they consider to be patriotism, as misguided as that is when they're rolling the dice on the country's future, but are just too embarrassed to admit it. It's the only reason I can think of for why they refuse to discuss it.
I imagine that a lot of people don't know why they voted Brexit beyond some vague notion of what they consider to be patriotism, as misguided as that is when they're rolling the dice on the country's future, but are just too embarrassed to admit it. It's the only reason I can think of for why they refuse to discuss it.
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Can't we just do a Logans Run on everyone over 50 and then vote again?
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Could well be, but I'm happy to give him the benefit of doubt and assume that he wants to engage in a debate. I've made my position clear before: it is a monumental mistake that will hurt current and future generations for decades to come.JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 pm Head <---> brick wall.
I imagine that a lot of people don't know why they voted Brexit beyond some vague notion of what they consider to be patriotism, as misguided as that is when they're rolling the dice on the country's future, but are just too embarrassed to admit it. It's the only reason I can think of for why they refuse to discuss it.
Any deals that will be struck will be lesser than what we have, give away more than we want, and cement Britain's role as a bit player on the world stage.
But, regardless of the outcome, if we're ever going to move forward we need to be able to debate each other's positions and for that to happen, each side has to state their views, beliefs and opinions.
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I have this saved on my phone .NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:18 pm “We made it through the war, we can make it through this” - People who were born post-war deliberately choosing to make things worse whilst being incapable of explaining the benefits.
“They lock you up if you say you’re English, don’t they, Stu?” - *checks Venn diagram*
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What I find permanently confusing is how anyone intends to win an election by appealing to Brexiteers. The referendum was swung by three million or so people who were targeted to vote for Brexit. These guys don’t normally vote. I doubt they will in the next general election...
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Its a bit more complicated than that though isn't it. There is a significant and entrenched percentage of the Conservative vote that won't vote Labour as they don't want a hard left government so the Conservatives pushing through Brexit is at best going to make some of the Conservative Remain contingent stay at home but I'm pretty convinced won't end up in very many them switching their vote to another party (If you voted Labour to not get Brexit then, well, 2017 has disproved that theory at least whilst they're headed by JC. Switching to the Lib Dems from Conservative again likely just increases the chances of a Labour victory.)
The largest set of swing voters at the moment is very possibly those Conservative Brexit voters who, in the absence of Brexit happening, would vote Brexit Party instead of Conservative (roughly the same percentage as the entire lib dem vote from recent polling -ETA: slightly less than that now with the Boris bounce), so arguably targeting those voters is indeed necessary. That's quite ironic if you're David Cameron as its essentially fanned the flames of the issue he was trying to kill off and ironic if you're a switcher to the BP as you'd more likely get Corbyn or a rainbow coalition than you would a BP-Conservative coalition, which is exactly what they wouldn't want.
The largest set of swing voters at the moment is very possibly those Conservative Brexit voters who, in the absence of Brexit happening, would vote Brexit Party instead of Conservative (roughly the same percentage as the entire lib dem vote from recent polling -ETA: slightly less than that now with the Boris bounce), so arguably targeting those voters is indeed necessary. That's quite ironic if you're David Cameron as its essentially fanned the flames of the issue he was trying to kill off and ironic if you're a switcher to the BP as you'd more likely get Corbyn or a rainbow coalition than you would a BP-Conservative coalition, which is exactly what they wouldn't want.
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Is there a point in all of those words?
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I think he's saying that conservatives won't vote labour but might vote brexit party if the conservatives aren't brexity enough.
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These are good points. I think a big swing of New Labour voters to Lib Dem is now likely and I suspect a three way split with a small Tory majority is the way we will go if there is an election soon.GG. wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:55 pm Its a bit more complicated than that though isn't it. There is a significant and entrenched percentage of the Conservative vote that won't vote Labour as they don't want a hard left government so the Conservatives pushing through Brexit is at best going to make some of the Conservative Remain contingent stay at home but I'm pretty convinced won't end up in very many them switching their vote to another party (If you voted Labour to not get Brexit then, well, 2017 has disproved that theory at least whilst they're headed by JC. Switching to the Lib Dems from Conservative again likely just increases the chances of a Labour victory.)
The largest set of swing voters at the moment is very possibly those Conservative Brexit voters who, in the absence of Brexit happening, would vote Brexit Party instead of Conservative (roughly the same percentage as the entire lib dem vote from recent polling -ETA: slightly less than that now with the Boris bounce), so arguably targeting those voters is indeed necessary. That's quite ironic if you're David Cameron as its essentially fanned the flames of the issue he was trying to kill off and ironic if you're a switcher to the BP as you'd more likely get Corbyn or a rainbow coalition than you would a BP-Conservative coalition, which is exactly what they wouldn't want.
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Possible - until recently I would have always have viewed a Corbyn government as more likely, but current polling suggests even the staunchest supporters of Magic Grandpa seem to be becoming disillusioned with him on account of the flip flopping over Brexit.
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Utter shite.JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:23 pm Head <---> brick wall.
I imagine that a lot of people don't know why they voted Brexit beyond some vague notion of what they consider to be patriotism, as misguided as that is when they're rolling the dice on the country's future, but are just too embarrassed to admit it. It's the only reason I can think of for why they refuse to discuss it.
I'm not going to argue on here with you 5 people who care.
Let's see what happens.