Toyota will sell you a Mirai over here if you really want one (for around that figure), or they've been trying to get some leased if you live somewhere in the west London / M4 corridor where the few H2 filling stations are. Probably makes more sense in California where there's quite a few now in and between SF and LA, plus you get perks like using the HOV lanes.
There's something like 15 places in the UK in total now that you can get suitable H2, and about half of them need prior arrangement to go and fill up there (universities, etc). More expensive to fuel than a petrol or diesel, and less convenient than pure electric. Non-starter IMO.
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I thought the whole thing with hydrogen is that it’s pretty simple to make. You could have a hydrogen fuelling station at home in theory. Just no one bothered to make them at a large affordable scale. If Toyota offered one for a few grand at home and a couple decent looking hydrogen cars they could really get it selling.
Sadly every year for about the past 20 years there’s an announcement of a cheap hydrogen fuelling station but it never gets past a single prototype.
Sadly every year for about the past 20 years there’s an announcement of a cheap hydrogen fuelling station but it never gets past a single prototype.
How about not having a sig at all?
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There was a mention of filling up in the article. Where they just seemed to rock up and buy a couple of kilos of hydrogen which cost about £25 or something (the figure quoted is something like $9.99 per kilo) and that was about 1/3 of a tank.
As for production the large scale electrolysis (or even small scale from home solar power) production would seem to be the answer, the process' are getting more efficient and so are the fuel cells too.
Is there a better answer? I don't think batteries are it due to the dust-dust costs in environmental impacts still being higher than regular oil burning cars and that the fast recharging batteries as still being developed.
The ES have been running a Mirai https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/mo ... 95841.html (looks awful) and for 60k seems steep for a small hatch, where the Hyundai seems to offer at least a bit more practicality for the outlay.
There is a long way to go.
As for production the large scale electrolysis (or even small scale from home solar power) production would seem to be the answer, the process' are getting more efficient and so are the fuel cells too.
Is there a better answer? I don't think batteries are it due to the dust-dust costs in environmental impacts still being higher than regular oil burning cars and that the fast recharging batteries as still being developed.
The ES have been running a Mirai https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/mo ... 95841.html (looks awful) and for 60k seems steep for a small hatch, where the Hyundai seems to offer at least a bit more practicality for the outlay.
There is a long way to go.
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ITM are the only ones doing something close to a petrol station experience where you can just arrive and fill any time without assistance. You still need to have a special card and training on how to fill up safely. Oh, and they only have 6 stations operating, 4 of which are in and around London.
Most electric cars today charge up fairly slowly in the large amounts of time they're parked and not being used. Rapid charging isn't a regular thing for most users. If your car magically always had 200+ miles of range every time you left the house, how often would you need to visit a petrol station?
Most electric cars today charge up fairly slowly in the large amounts of time they're parked and not being used. Rapid charging isn't a regular thing for most users. If your car magically always had 200+ miles of range every time you left the house, how often would you need to visit a petrol station?
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At the moment, the bulk of hydrogen comes as a by-product of crude oil refinement. Which uses a shit tonne of electricity. Otherwise you have to split water using electrolysis. Which uses a shit tonne of electricity.
£75 for 400 miles in a hydrogen car is pretty expensive compared to the same mileage in an electric car, which will be under a tenner for the same mileage.
Not sure the dust to dust think is as relevant as you think with electric cars as, as batteries in electric cars are lasting longer than originally projected, and even once they've reached the end of life in a car, they can be easily re-purposed to use for solar generated energy storage, etc (Think Nissan are doing interesting things with old Leaf batteries)
£75 for 400 miles in a hydrogen car is pretty expensive compared to the same mileage in an electric car, which will be under a tenner for the same mileage.
Not sure the dust to dust think is as relevant as you think with electric cars as, as batteries in electric cars are lasting longer than originally projected, and even once they've reached the end of life in a car, they can be easily re-purposed to use for solar generated energy storage, etc (Think Nissan are doing interesting things with old Leaf batteries)
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What could possibly go wrong with people making, storing and transferring hydrogen at home?
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There was a Honda which ran on natural gas, if your house had a gas supply you could have a compressor fitted to store compressed natural gas, could have made one hell of a bomb with that if you were that way inclined I imagine.
How about not having a sig at all?
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Natural gas is not dangerous to handle at all. When filli g a car it will be safer than handling a gas hob.
Ferries, ships, fishing vessels etc are doing clever things with hybrid power. Still using an IC engine to have complete flexibility in how they operate.
The oil rig I'm on as we speak is also going to hybrid power for increased efficiency. Running our engines at a higher load and letting the batteries take the power spikes.
It will be interesting to see how people view Tesla when more luxury cars like the Ipace and Audi become more common.
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Ferries, ships, fishing vessels etc are doing clever things with hybrid power. Still using an IC engine to have complete flexibility in how they operate.
The oil rig I'm on as we speak is also going to hybrid power for increased efficiency. Running our engines at a higher load and letting the batteries take the power spikes.
It will be interesting to see how people view Tesla when more luxury cars like the Ipace and Audi become more common.
Dave!
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He’s still the CEO. Not too much of a punishment considering what he could have ended up with. Sounds like a smart move to do a deal although I do wonder how much more he considered taking Tesla private once they announced the start of their investigation.
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