Your fleet running reports

[Rich B]

One assumes you're planning on using the Ferrari in more inappropriate manners, like doing a small tip run in a tattered hoodie and jeans?

Not quite, but I was genuinely planning a trip to the bottle bank in camo trousers & a NIN t-shirt I'll do it this afternoon.

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https://aldousvoice.com/2012/08/23/ferr ... nge-grill/

[Sundayjumper]

https://aldousvoice.com/2012/08/23/ferr ... nge-grill/

Yes, they do look nice but when he says:

However, these days www.prosport-ferrari.com make pattern grills for a fraction of the OEM price.

Remember that "a fraction" of a very large number is still a pretty large number

65919700 360 CHALLENGE GRILL (AFTERMARKET) (PRANCING HORSE NOT INCLUDED)
Availability: IN STOCK

Excl. Tax: £950.00
Incl. Tax: £1,140.00

It's a low priority right now !

[Carlos]

GT86 is in lovely condition and still under Toyota Warranty for another 2 years so should be a relatively safe purchase for her.



I'm looking forward to it myself, more than quick enough to have fun. Not sure why I've read that it needs more power!

[duncs500]

@Carlos I like that! How old is your daughter? I'm assuming late teens early twenties, if so, that's a bloody nice car for her age. Living the dream she is!

[Carlos]

She was 18 in May so a lucky girl.

Another advantage of the earn as you learn route as she's paid for it with a bit of help from me

[mik]

that's a bloody nice car for her age!

That!

I assume insurance isn’t £whaaat??? As they aren’t that powerful?

[240PP]

that's a bloody nice car for her age!

That!

I assume insurance isn’t £whaaat??? As they aren’t that powerful?

I’m assuming it very much is £whaaat?!?!1 for an 18 year old.. happy to be pleasantly surprised though!

[Carlos]

£2800 which I think is ridiculous but she seems to think is ok!

200hp and 1250kg. I drove it 20 miles today on the test drive and enjoyed it, it's not powerful enough to make it snappy though.

You'd have to try to get it moving on tidy tyres which it has and I've told her the car knows if you've turned the tc off if she crashes so hopefully that will buy some time for experience and tuition which she wants to do.

There's also a halfway house tc which allows some slip like the M button on BMW's. Which is also banned!

[duncs500]

She was 18 in May so a lucky girl.

Another advantage of the earn as you learn route as she's paid for it with a bit of help from me

Presume she's a chip off the old block in terms of car interest then? Not an obvious choice for a modern 18 year old I'd say, very cool.

[Jobbo]

GT86 is in lovely condition and still under Toyota Warranty for another 2 years so should be a relatively safe purchase for her.



I'm looking forward to it myself, more than quick enough to have fun. Not sure why I've read that it needs more power!

Wow - good work you and your daughter!

[Mito Man]

That's infinitely better than a mito

[Shlergen]

Genuinely liked the 86 I drove circa 5 years ago, went for the Focus ST instead, mainly for practicality reasons.

Felt punchy enough, still want one.

[Swervin_Mervin]

GT86 is in lovely condition and still under Toyota Warranty for another 2 years so should be a relatively safe purchase for her.



I'm looking forward to it myself, more than quick enough to have fun. Not sure why I've read that it needs more power!

I never understood the power comments. It came out when the Clio 197 was still in production I think? And I remember them having incredibly similar PWR and even the same tyre sizes and yet there was rarely such criticism directed at the Clio

[Beany]

I think the sort of people who think it needs more power have never gone above 4500rpm in first and second gear - my mates one zips along very nicely when you test the rev limiter.

Other than wheels, that's near identical to his, too!

[Rich B]

I think the sort of people who think it needs more power have never gone above 4500rpm in first and second gear -

ah yes, the writers at evo fit that description well...

https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/gt-86/performance

Heck of a car for an 18 year old though! Looks best in white too.

[Beany]

Yeah, about that....

Indeed, with the car’s true performance on offer only close to the red line, you need to work the engine hard to extract the flat-four engine’s potential. The commotion will come as a surprise to anyone used to modern four-cylinder turbocharged units

Oh, look basically exactly what I said, and includes the writer admitting that they think it's not as good as a nice, lazy, torquey turbo lump because who wants to rev an NA engine, that sounds like hard work!

It does mean that exploring the car’s limits requires a committed driving style.

Again, sounds rather like what I said.

We’re not saying the GT86 needs another 200bhp, just a broader powerband and another 50bhp and 50lb ft, which would alleviate some frustration and imbue the driving experience with a little more gusto and verve.

Oh daddy, please, please, puw-eaaase put a light pressure turbo on the GT86, I don't like....I don't like having to press the loud pedal too much, it's haaaaaard and it's nooooisy. Please daddy make my life easier.

Funnily enough chuck 'em the keys to a £200k 911 GT3 and suddenly having to rev an engine out is alright, though.....

There's a reason I don't bother with Evo any more.

[jamcg]

Clio got less criticism because it had a slot in a range, if you wanted faster you got a Megane. Clio was heavily criticised for a lack of torque at the time. Renaultsports of that era had to be thrashed too, my twingo is nippy at low revs but you’ve got to bang it up to the gear change light at 7000rpm if you want to go quick

[240PP]

Yeah, about that....

Indeed, with the car’s true performance on offer only close to the red line, you need to work the engine hard to extract the flat-four engine’s potential. The commotion will come as a surprise to anyone used to modern four-cylinder turbocharged units

Oh, look basically exactly what I said, and includes the writer admitting that they think it's not as good as a nice, lazy, torquey turbo lump because who wants to rev an NA engine, that sounds like hard work!

It does mean that exploring the car’s limits requires a committed driving style.

Again, sounds rather like what I said.

We’re not saying the GT86 needs another 200bhp, just a broader powerband and another 50bhp and 50lb ft, which would alleviate some frustration and imbue the driving experience with a little more gusto and verve.

[Jobbo]

I was going to post the same thing

[Rich B]

Yeah, about that....

Indeed, with the car’s true performance on offer only close to the red line, you need to work the engine hard to extract the flat-four engine’s potential. The commotion will come as a surprise to anyone used to modern four-cylinder turbocharged units

Oh, look basically exactly what I said, and includes the writer admitting that they think it's not as good as a nice, lazy, torquey turbo lump because who wants to rev an NA engine, that sounds like hard work!

It does mean that exploring the car’s limits requires a committed driving style.

Again, sounds rather like what I said.

We’re not saying the GT86 needs another 200bhp, just a broader powerband and another 50bhp and 50lb ft, which would alleviate some frustration and imbue the driving experience with a little more gusto and verve.

Oh daddy, please, please, puw-eaaase put a light pressure turbo on the GT86, I don't like....I don't like having to press the loud pedal too much, it's haaaaaard and it's nooooisy. Please daddy make my life easier.

Funnily enough chuck 'em the keys to a £200k 911 GT3 and suddenly having to rev an engine out is alright, though.....

There's a reason I don't bother with Evo any more.

Concepts like power delivery, engine character and torque are difficult things to understand and explain. You just need to drive more cars yourself to understand why some engines characters match the car and some don't.

Then there's the fact that some cars simply need more because the chassis is so competent. The R53 Mini Cooper S was a prime example of this. In standard tune it was about the same speed 0-60 as the GT86, and when I test drove one it felt a bit dull because the chassis could easily cope with more. Hence pretty much everyone who had one (who was interested in driving) tuned them with another 40-50bhp and reduced the 0-60 from a dull mid 7s to a more fun low 6s.