EV Thread

[Mito Man]

Also this is fucking hilarious too.

I can just imagine Elon walking along the factory floor and releasing his creative juices on how to increase profit margins “just stick the standard brakes on the performance model, and stick a cover over it you idiots, no one will know”

[Jobbo]

Yeah, recent Tesla buyers are not happy about it

Erm. Surely understandably?

First looked at a ModelY years ago when we had the Disco4 - but we sniggered as it was £160k. I reckon you could get the same car now for less than £80k new…..

Model X presumably, not Y? You still can’t order a Model S or Model X in the U.K. currently, while we await the facelift versions coming here.

[mik]

Model X presumably

Ah yes. Typed that whilst a little bit pished.

[Simon]

Tesla's prices have gone up massively over 18 months anyway so this is just a nod towards getting them back to where they were.

[Jobbo]

The standard Model 3 is now £3k more than when it was released in the U.K. nearly 4 years ago. That’s way below inflation.

[Simon]

A Google shows that it was launched at £38,900 for a 'standard range plus' after the £3500 government grant. Their cheapest car is now £42,990. Is that like for like?

[Mito Man]

Base model 3 is a way better car now. New nicer interior, powered boot, double glazing, heat pump, fancy new battery tech which can be charged to 100% and lasts a million miles, more capacity, more power. Best car that Tesla make now

[tim]

Tesla dropped new prices on the Model 3 and Model Y by quite a bit yesterday, average 11%ish.

I'm still seeing £55,450 for "my" Model 3, which is the same as before christmas.

[Jobbo]

Tesla dropped new prices on the Model 3 and Model Y by quite a bit yesterday, average 11%ish.

I'm still seeing £55,450 for "my" Model 3, which is the same as before christmas.

What is your spec? This is what it shows without selecting any options, but some are pre-selected and can be removed (eg £2k for 20” wheels on the Model Y Long Range)

[tim]

Model 3 Long Range, black, standard wheels, enhanced autopilot.

[ZedLeg]

That new Dacia hybrid looks alright if you're not looking for a three ton fortress to drive around in

[Jobbo]

Model 3 Long Range, black, standard wheels, enhanced autopilot.

Odd - the base price came down £6.5k overnight on Friday so not sure how it was costing that amount beforehand. So it should have been over £60k before.

Got to hand it to Tesla though; £1100 extra for non-metallic black as opposed to standard pearlescent white must be nice and profitable.

[Carlos]

The Mazda MX-30 looks interesting, plugin 17.8kw battery that will do 53 miles electric only plus a 830cc rotary range extender giving a Granite approved no pissing on my watch range of 373 miles. Official mpg of 273

https://www.evo.co.uk/mazda/205567/mazd ... e-extender

I3 style suicide doors and proper flat floor ev design

[Jobbo]

Rotary engines might be small but they have some fundamental thermodynamic efficiency problems. I like the fact that they're using it, but it does seem to be for size and smoothness reasons not for fuel economy.

[mik]

They seem to be using it appropriately too - as a generator to recharge. Hence they can prevent the cold-start-switch-off flooding issues (that you definitely didn’t explain carefully to your wife, only for her to forget. Nope) which would undoubtedly occur if it was asked to respond more like other hybrids where the ICE drives the wheels.

[Carlos]

As its a generator it may be more efficient if it's run at a fixed rpm. I'll be interested to find out more about it.

If you can charge at home that 50 mile ev range would cover the bulk of journeys for most people but without the usual range or infrastructure objections.

I'm surprised there aren't more range extended bev's.

[mik]

Nice idea
https://bespokechargers.com/pricing

[Mito Man]

Just some late night pub chat and a viewpoint from someone more intelligent than me (granted that's not a high bar) on the Tesla price drop, however they've made a small fortune from Tesla stock so may be biased. Tesla make roughly $10,000 profit per car. Other manufacturers only a few thousand. If the others get involved in a price war and slash prices which they may have to they will hurt much more, possibly selling at a loss. Tesla have $21 billion cash on hand so are sitting comfortably for a few years. Could make life very difficult for many of these new EV manufacturers who don't have healthy cashflow especially as we may be going into a recession.

[Simon]

That may be true, but Tesla also has Musk, who is nothing but an absolute liability at this point.

[Jobbo]

Or Tesla has been making more cars than they sold so have excess stock they need to sell. Hence the quick delivery times for the reduced-price cars.