EV Thread

[Carlos]

I've mentioned previously that i'm convinced some of the main stream media is sponsored anti ev propaganda but the Daily Fail piece on ev's collapsing multi storey car parks is a new level

They've compared the weight of a Tesla 3 to a Mk3 Cortina and i think they've even made those weights up lol

Could you post a link, please? I've had a quick look but couldn't see it, saw enough to want to stop looking though (albeit with one good story I'll post elsewhere).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... psing.html

[Explosive Newt]

I've mentioned previously that i'm convinced some of the main stream media is sponsored anti ev propaganda but the Daily Fail piece on ev's collapsing multi storey car parks is a new level

They've compared the weight of a Tesla 3 to a Mk3 Cortina and i think they've even made those weights up lol

Could you post a link, please? I've had a quick look but couldn't see it, saw enough to want to stop looking though (albeit with one good story I'll post elsewhere).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... psing.html

Piffle when every other car on the road is a tank-like SUV.

The Tesla's range has increased dramatically (almost 25% more) with the turn in the weather.

[Mito Man]

Pure EVs generally seem to weigh less than plug in hybrids too…

[Broccers]

Scotland pushes back new petrol and diesel cars sales ban to 2032

Scottish government cites worry that charging infrastructure plan is lagging and the price to run an EV is too high

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... _campaign=

[Barry]

I'm selfishly not too upset if they keep petrol supply going a bit longer, but quoting rapid charging costs as your only example of "costing too much" is suggesting that most EV owners are using motorway service stations to fill up. I pay a third of that for my sparks at home, for example.

It's very interesting having an interest in both sides, watching the fud being pushed around by MSM.

[Rich B]

The highlands of Scotland are a big empty place though, if there's a lack of infrastructure then it simply doesn't work and if the prices aren't cheaper than the massively more convenient options, then people just aren't going to change. Of course both cost and convenience are factors.

[Simon]

Scotland pushes back new petrol and diesel cars sales ban to 2032

Scottish government cites worry that charging infrastructure plan is lagging and the price to run an EV is too high

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... _campaign=

How's this going to work then? If you want a petrol car after 2030 and live in England, just nip over the border to a Scottish dealer to buy one? Kind of makes a mockery of the UK 2030 ban.

[Mito Man]

But if a genius move on their part, the dealers there will be raking it in

[Barry]

The highlands of Scotland are a big empty place though, if there's a lack of infrastructure then it simply doesn't work and if the prices aren't cheaper than the massively more convenient options, then people just aren't going to change. Of course both cost and convenience are factors.

Again though, cherry picking examples to suit your point. Petrol in those remote areas isn't the cheapest either, but its had 100 years of infrastructure evolution at least. Major EV take up has barely started by comparison. There are plenty examples on Youtube of people taking the low end EVs around the NC500. It can be done, it just takes effort that most people can't justify when there's a much easier (and currently cheaper) alternative.

I had a long weekend in the Lakes a couple years ago, and last minute I decided to take the Civic instead of the Ioniq I had at the time. Partly as I CBA dealing with even their ltd charging points, partly cos I fancied chucking the Civic around some fun roads

It just feels like everyone expects EV network and ownership to just match their ICE costs and ease of use, right off the bat. This thing needs a massive shift in investment and infrastructure before that will become reality, and that needs ppl willing to put up with annoyances like ltd charging and more expensive ownership costs.

[Rich B]

The highlands of Scotland are a big empty place though, if there's a lack of infrastructure then it simply doesn't work and if the prices aren't cheaper than the massively more convenient options, then people just aren't going to change. Of course both cost and convenience are factors.

Again though, cherry picking examples to suit your point. Petrol in those remote areas isn't the cheapest either, but its had 100 years of infrastructure evolution at least. Major EV take up has barely started by comparison. There are plenty examples on Youtube of people taking the low end EVs around the NC500. It can be done, it just takes effort that most people can't justify when there's a much easier (and currently cheaper) alternative.

I had a long weekend in the Lakes a couple years ago, and last minute I decided to take the Civic instead of the Ioniq I had at the time. Partly as I CBA dealing with even their ltd charging points, partly cos I fancied chucking the Civic around some fun roads

It just feels like everyone expects EV network and ownership to just match their ICE costs and ease of use, right off the bat. This thing needs a massive shift in investment and infrastructure before that will become reality, and that needs ppl willing to put up with annoyances like ltd charging and more expensive ownership costs.

yep, and they haven't abandoned the legislation, just pushed it back a few more years because they just won't be ready for it.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Remember that the UK is shit and everything is broken. So getting decent nationwide charging infrastructure in place is going to take a long time, if it ever happens at all

What was going on with Johnny Smiths ID Buzz that he was testing by the way? Reckoned he tried 3 fast charge stations and was getting really slow charge, even at one that was empty. Car issue or is that reflective of issues with charging generally?

[duncs500]

Get on board with the hydrogen revolution gang, we shouldn't be wasting our money on this charging infrastructure!

[mik]

What was going on with Johnny Smiths ID Buzz that he was testing by the way? Reckoned he tried 3 fast charge stations and was getting really slow charge, even at one that was empty. Car issue or is that reflective of issues with charging generally?

Almost all our charging is at home, so v limited experience of public network, but have had excellent experience, and have suffered slow charging and non-working chargers. Had one instance where an e-tron directly beside us was happily charging at around 140kw, when ours was around 37kw. Most frustrating - particularly as the pricing is based around speed - so you pay the premium price whether you get that high speed or not. (When they left I swapped to that charger and it took 15mins of swearing to get car and charger to handshake. Charged at 150kw once the handshake was finally established, but you can imagine how pleased I was by that point).

[Carlos]

Remember that the UK is shit and everything is broken. So getting decent nationwide charging infrastructure in place is going to take a long time, if it ever happens at all

What was going on with Johnny Smiths ID Buzz that he was testing by the way? Reckoned he tried 3 fast charge stations and was getting really slow charge, even at one that was empty. Car issue or is that reflective of issues with charging generally?

The common denominator is the vehicle not the infrastructure particularly at 3 sites operated by 3 different providers ! I also recall vw/audi launching cars with conservative software/charging curves and later updating them, although that would be disappointing for a buyer as its not exactly new tech !

Either way its not great press particularly as Jonny is a regular ev user and unlikely to be seeking negative headlines.

[Rich B]

Remember that the UK is shit and everything is broken. So getting decent nationwide charging infrastructure in place is going to take a long time, if it ever happens at all

What was going on with Johnny Smiths ID Buzz that he was testing by the way? Reckoned he tried 3 fast charge stations and was getting really slow charge, even at one that was empty. Car issue or is that reflective of issues with charging generally?

I saw an ID buzz thing today, I wasn't impressed in white. WAY too much going on on that front bumper, just looked like any other mpv to be honest. It would be a million times better without all those holes.

[Mito Man]

Weird, does an EV need that much cooling? I think the first car that started those holes was the Jaguar Project 8 and I thought it always looked shit because of it.

[Carlos]

Are they holes or "styling" ?

[Carlos]

Scotland pushes back new petrol and diesel cars sales ban to 2032

Scottish government cites worry that charging infrastructure plan is lagging and the price to run an EV is too high

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new- ... _campaign=

Harry reporting that this was a typo in Policy Document it should read 2030

[mik]

Weird, does an EV need that much cooling? I think the first car that started those holes was the Jaguar Project 8 and I thought it always looked shit because of it.

[Mito Man]

Those are round holes, and much less offensive.