M140i Snetterton Track Evening Review

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Yesterday afternoon me M140i Shadow Edition, my friend Andy M240i and Mike Rainbird of this here parish (E46 M3 CSL farkin-hell edition) attended the motor racing circuit known as Snetterton for some roundy-roundy driving.

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The last time I drove a car around Snetterton was my M135i, five years ago. I'd booked this event in the knowledge that I came away last time having had fun but with the realisation that although the little M is a fast and fine handling road car, a track car it is not. I was curious to know if that is still the case.

Mr Yu, also of this parish, had told me just before I collected my car it was a much improved experience, even without the thousands of pounds of mods he's done to his. We'll come to that later.

We met up with Mike in Tyrrells and enjoyed a chat and some refreshments whilst waiting for the debrief. Sighting laps complete, bit of a yawn fest because there were a lot of cars out. Not sure why the caged Mini Cooper needed to do these laps 6" from my bumper, but because race car or something.

Anyway with that done we hung around while the 2nd sighting lap group went out, and then set about it properly. Immediately I could tell the M140 was stiffer and the tendency to roll-oversteer the M135i had was gone. In fact body control was much better all round. I had its adaptive suspension in the stiffer Sport setting and with manual gearbox control.

My car has the Bridgestone S001 runflat tyres, and Andy's was on the proper Michelin Pilot Super Sports. The difference was obvious - he was driving out of corners, where I was traction limited until almost all the lock was off and then it would pick up and fire down the straights. This wasn't much of a surprise. I had a little play in Sport+ with the traction off, and that just spun up a wheel with a bit of gentle oversteer without providing for any more forward motion. I left it on for the rest of the evening.

The brakes coped pretty well - much like last time. after about 3 laps the pedal went a bit soft and a bit long, but then didn't get any worse. The best I saw along the back straight was 125 mph - Andy was getting 130+, and it didn't have any problem hauling it up lap after lap.

I passed a few cars, mostly just through power, and caught and passed a couple of slower drivers, but with only 1100 miles on the car from new I had no intention of going 10/10ths and waved by far more than I went by. The point of the evening was just to experience what the car was like, rather than any kind of serious Track Work (tm).

I don't think I managed to be on track the same time as Mike - he was having issues with brake fade, which he may wish to elaborate on here, but that was likely to be a completely daft comparison anyway!

So in conclusion; yes the little M is better on track than it's predecessor, but without spending thousands on a diff, M4 lower control arms, sticker tyres and maybe uprating the brakes or at least fluid, it's never really going to be a track day car, and even then I'd suggest that money would be better spent on an actual track car. Perhaps if I had never experienced my Caterham or Lotus I would feel differently. But as it stands, I'll stick to bike track days I think. The rush is much higher and the running costs much lower.

Having thought about it - there's quite some parallel with my old 993 here. Fabulous road car, but a bit out of it's depth on the track (which is what lead me to chop it for the Elise Sport 190).

So once the evening ended, the 3 of us retired to the local curry house in Attleborough and enjoyed a couple of hours of car based chat and decent food. A very pleasant evening all round.

I don't know if Mike saw it out on track, but there was a chap in an Aventador SV out as well, whose helmeted noggin was above the top of the windscreen by a good 4" - rather him than me!
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I am now very annoyed I couldn't make this.

Oh well, I'm attempting to keep the calendar clear for British GTs at Snetterton in five weeks.
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I had completely forgotten about it, with not having anything I wish to track at the moment. Shame as I would have popped along for a bit, and I've still got mikes standard csl brake disk which has been sat in my parents garage for about 5 years now :lol:
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Good write up. Very doubtful mine will ever see a track unless the lotus is out of action for some reason.
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Great write up! Sounds like a well worthwhile day. With this in mind, any alterations due? Different tyres perhaps?
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Good write up Tim, sounds like a fun day out. 😎

The brake pedal comment, and a previous post elsewhere about M4 pads, compels me to write that I find the M4Comp’s brake pedal to be quite soft; initial bite is fine, but then there seems to be a shallow gradient of braking before you get about half-way down and the brakes actually give decent deceleration. It feels like your compressing the fluid before getting full contact, if that makes sense? Still, at least they don’t squeal like the M5’s did!

Also, in other news, I’ve been driving it a lot this month and it’s actually rather good on Super sports with nice progressive feedback of the levels on grip it has. It still feels a bit slow though... (sorry, thread drift)
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Yes, good read - cheers.

I like the white M240i - my sort of mota 8-)
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Sounds an excellent evening all round. Nice that the brakes held up.
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scotta wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:52 pm Good write up. Very doubtful mine will ever see a track unless the lotus is out of action for some reason.
Wise. It would feel like a wobbly old jelly by comparison.
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IanF wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:03 pm The brake pedal comment, and a previous post elsewhere about M4 pads, compels me to write that I find the M4Comp’s brake pedal to be quite soft; initial bite is fine, but then there seems to be a shallow gradient of braking before you get about half-way down and the brakes actually give decent deceleration.
This is pretty much how they felt once they'd gone off a little. I understand you can drop M4 pads straight into the M140 as it's the same caliper, and can't help wondering what that's like.
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Are m4 pads likely to be much better. M cars aren't exactly renowned for outstanding brakes.

Wouldn't something like m4 fitment ds2500s suit a road car which might see the occasional track evening for lols?
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Quite possibly Ian. I put those in my M3 and they were fecking great.
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tim wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:59 am Not sure why the caged Mini Cooper needed to do these laps 6" from my bumper, but because race car or something.
Doing trackdays in a low powered/quick in the car is pretty frustrating IME, you either do the above and hope they pull over or ease off and create a gap. :lol:

Loads of people winning at trackdays all over the internet is hilarious though!
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Foz wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:13 pm
tim wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:59 am Not sure why the caged Mini Cooper needed to do these laps 6" from my bumper, but because race car or something.
Doing trackdays in a low powered/quick in the car is pretty frustrating IME, you either do the above and hope they pull over or ease off and create a gap. :lol:

Loads of people winning at trackdays all over the internet is hilarious though!
Similar experience in the Lotus. People are reluctant to lift even though you are massively quicker round the twisty sections. Had this with an F80 M3. Ballistic missile on the straight but i could pull 4 or 5 car lengths out of him round the back section of KH.
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tim wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:08 am Quite possibly Ian. I put those in my M3 and they were fecking great.
When i switched from the 1144's to CL RC5+ there was a marked improvement.
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scotta wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:37 pm
Foz wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:13 pm
tim wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:59 am Not sure why the caged Mini Cooper needed to do these laps 6" from my bumper, but because race car or something.
Doing trackdays in a low powered/quick in the car is pretty frustrating IME, you either do the above and hope they pull over or ease off and create a gap. :lol:

Loads of people winning at trackdays all over the internet is hilarious though!
Similar experience in the Lotus. People are reluctant to lift even though you are massively quicker round the twisty sections. Had this with an F80 M3. Ballistic missile on the straight but i could pull 4 or 5 car lengths out of him round the back section of KH.
Yeah but I was talking about the enforced sighting laps behind a pace car before the open pitlane kicks off - no need to be up anyone's chuff for that, race car or not.

I overtook him in the open session so it wasn't even that quick!
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tim wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:40 pm
scotta wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:37 pm
Foz wrote: Wed Apr 10, 2019 12:13 pm

Doing trackdays in a low powered/quick in the car is pretty frustrating IME, you either do the above and hope they pull over or ease off and create a gap. :lol:

Loads of people winning at trackdays all over the internet is hilarious though!
Similar experience in the Lotus. People are reluctant to lift even though you are massively quicker round the twisty sections. Had this with an F80 M3. Ballistic missile on the straight but i could pull 4 or 5 car lengths out of him round the back section of KH.
Yeah but I was talking about the enforced sighting laps behind a pace car before the open pitlane kicks off - no need to be up anyone's chuff for that, race car or not.

I overtook him in the open session so it wasn't even that quick!
Ah - We dont have that at KH.
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I think it's an MSV thing.
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Good write up and sounds like a good evening.
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integrale_evo wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:25 pm I had completely forgotten about it, with not having anything I wish to track at the moment. Shame as I would have popped along for a bit, and I've still got mikes standard csl brake disk which has been sat in my parents garage for about 5 years now :lol:
I will try and collect then, can you message more your number and when would be convenient :lol: .
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