Neighbour Dispute on the Horizon

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(edit - longer than I expected now I've written it down)

Looks like it's my turn soon ! It's brewing but nothing has really happened yet.

We moved here in 2006. Neighbour in question has been here far far longer, they *possibly* moved in when the houses were built, in the late sixties. Married couple I guess in their seventies now. The water table is very high here. A couple of people have said the road follows the course of an old stream but I've never investigated it. We do have a massive willow tree in the front garden and an undated old photo of the house shows two which does back up the stream thing.

Our gardens would turn to a marsh whenever we had heavy rain. The neighbour in question, their house is at the lowest point of the road, and their back garden would literally be under water every time.

In 2015 we had our front & rear gardens re-done, including installing a lot of extra drainage. The back garden has a load of perforated pipe installed feeding into the drain which heads off away from the back of the house to who-knows-where. The front garden has a load of soakaway crates feeding into the drain that heads out into the road. This made a huge difference, our garden is no longer a marsh and next door only under water after the heaviest rain.

Roll forwards a few years.

Neighbour, let's call him "Toni", became obsessed with my cars. Seemingly if one of them is idling on the driveway for more than 30 seconds he would appear to put something in the bin, or do some pruning, or something equally inconsequential, and scowl at me. Part of the problem here is that his kitchen has a door straight into the back of his garage and he likes to leave the garage roller door and the kitchen door open a lot of the time. So any noises or smells from outside reach his kitchen quite easily.

This culminated one evening last December when I was having enormous trouble getting the Galaxie to run well enough to drive it onto the trailer. I'd sold it and needed to deliver it to the buyer the following day. It had never acted up like this before - sod's law. I'd had it running a while to try and get it properly warmed through, when he came out shouting at me, claiming I do this every couple of days and he can taste the fumes in his house, blah, blah. I was pretty stressed out with the car, it was dark and cold and I was NOT in the mood to discuss it at that point so I stressed that it's not every couple of days, I need to get the car on the trailer, and if he wants that conversation it needs to happen another time. I've not spoken to "Toni" since then but I've been mindful of keeping my cars away from that side of the drive. My wife always chats to him & his wife if she sees them though.

We had a lot of rain a couple of weeks ago and "Toni's" garage flooded. He had Dyno Rod out to clear the drains.

"Toni" beckoned my wife this afternoon when she got home and he says that:

* Our willow tree has broken his drain (that goes in pretty much in a straight line from his kitchen, under his garage & driveway, to the road) and the roots have grown into the pipe, blocked it, and caused the flooding, so I need to fix it.

* He wants us & the neighbour on the other side of his property to pay for upgrading the drainage in the back garden, as according to him it's runoff from our properties that is the problem.

My wife is very nice and would happily say yes to all this for fear of offending. He's not tried asking me yet :lol:

So getting to the specific points here:

* Are the roots of my tree outside my property my problem ? I know that overhanging branches are not strictly my problem but he has moaned about those enough times in the past and I've always trimmed them for him as it was only a ten or fifteen minute job.

* It's not runoff, it's not like there's a waterfall cascading into his garden, it's just groundwater rising after heavy rain, and being the lowest point his property is the most affected.

My feeling is that I can legitimately tell him to go do one. What does everyone else think ?


(to be clear - his name is not "Toni", it's "Tony")
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Ask him if he has a hat.

If he says yes, tell him to go fuck his hat.

If he says not, tell him to go buy one, so that he can go fuck it.
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He could cut the roots of your tree where they go under his land. Are they likely to? Willows do have big root systems but they’re also very good at sucking up water. Up to him to deal with.

Water in his garden is his problem. Unless you’ve specifically crated ways for water to run off your garden into his there’s no responsibility on you at all.
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Water drainage is a funny one, if you divert it from your own land onto his then I think k you can be liable, you certainly can with large amounts of runoff.

My parents house extension caused some issues with next doors, soil is like ours and has a lot of clay in it. So the new guttering flooded their garden as it was being caught by the roof and directed next to the property line. It was an easy fix by extending it down the garden though, the same as I pre-emptively did with our guttering.

I think he will have to prove that your changes are the problem though. Maybe you getting rid of the water, even into the drain is causing it but also maybe he is just butt hurt that your garden is now clear and his is still buggered.

When Treina worked for dyno-Rod they were doing a lot of pipe surveys under drives and oddly under kitchens, it was all covered by insurance so worth checking if you can get one with yours.

We have a tree on the drive next door and it’s damaged our driveway, this is the responsibility of next door to fix, sadly now that’s us 😂 .

Confirm the issue and go from there, old people have time on their hands so I doubt they will let it go.

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V8Granite wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:41 pm Maybe you getting rid of the water, even into the drain is causing it but also maybe he is just butt hurt that your garden is now clear and his is still buggered.
It's not causing it, his garden has been a lot better since then, but I can't actually prove that of course as I've not kept records of rainfall vs. water table in his garden. My life is tragically empty but not quite to that extent 😂

V8Granite wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:41 pm We have a tree on the drive next door and it’s damaged our driveway, this is the responsibility of next door to fix, sadly now that’s us 😂
So at odds with the "within your boundary, your problem" principle ? Makes sense with e.g. a tree right next to a building causing structural problems, but same with drainage ?

V8Granite wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:41 pm old people have time on their hands so I doubt they will let it go.
I've not spoken to "Toni" for almost a year and I don't especially GAF about his garden, I'd be more sympathetic if he'd not been such a dick about leaving his garage & kitchen open then complaining that stuff gets into his kitchen via his garage. The real issue is that he'll keep bugging my wife and making her feel bad about it.
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:38 pm He could cut the roots of your tree where they go under his land. Are they likely to? Willows do have big root systems but they’re also very good at sucking up water. Up to him to deal with.

Water in his garden is his problem. Unless you’ve specifically crated ways for water to run off your garden into his there’s no responsibility on you at all.
He won't do anything about the roots. He's been here a long time and the tree's been here even longer. It's not a situation I've actively caused.

I've not created runoff - quite the opposite, I added a load of drainage that has benefitted him already. And I didn't ask him to pay for any of it, because it was on my property & it was my decision to do it.
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I don’t know if it’s different for different counties but if I plant a tree and it damages next door, I’m liable.

I can ask my mate as he had a big issue with roots from a big bush (fnar) at his old house and I know his insurance didn’t pay for the repairs.

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Beany wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:31 pm Ask him if he has a hat.

If he says yes, tell him to go fuck his hat.

If he says not, tell him to go buy one, so that he can go fuck it.
This is the answer that has made me smile the most :D
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We've had the wettest year in 200 years. I'd be inclined to tell him to go fuck himself. And straight pipe the 360.
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Mito Man wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:15 pm We've had the wettest year in 200 years. I'd be inclined to tell him to go fuck himself. And straight pipe the 360.
I took the Capristo off because I thought it was too noisy. I've still got it sat here.... hmm....
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"Hey Tony, I've added more pipes"
"For the drainage issue?"
"No. For the Ferrari"
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Ask for evidence that the alleged tree root is actually your tree root and not just A tree root.
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Sundayjumper wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:09 pm I've not spoken to "Toni" for almost a year and I don't especially GAF about his garden, I'd be more sympathetic if he'd not been such a dick about leaving his garage & kitchen open then complaining that stuff gets into his kitchen via his garage. The real issue is that he'll keep bugging my wife and making her feel bad about it.
You need to ask your wife to stop speaking to "Toni" as well then!

Other than that, Jobbo is correct on all points, as usual.
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Sundayjumper wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:14 pm
(to be clear - his name is not "Toni", it's "Tony")
I glol’d at that :lol:
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V8Granite wrote: Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:13 pm I don’t know if it’s different for different counties but if I plant a tree and it damages next door, I’m liable.

I can ask my mate as he had a big issue with roots from a big bush (fnar) at his old house and I know his insurance didn’t pay for the repairs.

Dave!
Laws don’t vary much between counties.

If you plant a tree near a boundary in a place where the roots are likely to damage next door’s drive (for example) then you’d be responsible. If you buy a house with a tree which has already been there for decades, unless you’re negligent there’s no liability.
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Nothing causes friction quite like trees and nutty old people. We’ve got some big trees in our garden and the branches overhang into a garden next road over- back to back neighbours if you like- they sent a gardener over their fence into our property to trim the branches off. He was politely told to leave and ask for permission before setting foot in our garden, apparently he’d been told off the woman to go over the fence as it was ok to do, he definitely wasn’t happy with her lying to him
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As for your issue you may be liable for damage to his drain if it is indeed caused by your tree. If the issue has been solved by dynorod clearing the roots then that’s all you’d need, but roots in drains can be any plants, due to the high nutrient water flowing in them, any shrubs about the drain will go after it, climbing plants I believe can be some of the worst culprits
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jamcg wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:20 am We’ve got some big trees in our garden and the branches overhang into a garden next road over- back to back neighbours if you like- they sent a gardener over their fence into our property to trim the branches off. He was politely told to leave and ask for permission before setting foot in our garden, apparently he’d been told off the woman to go over the fence as it was ok to do, he definitely wasn’t happy with her lying to him
I mean, that's at least half, if not mostly, his own fault for taking something a customer said at face value without verifying it was, you know, remotely true.

Customers will lie about the fucking dumbest things if they think it'll save them even a tiny amount of effort or money.
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Yeah my job would definitely be easy if it weren't for the idiot customers.
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