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Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:14 pm
by duncs500
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06 am
Paddy Lowe leaving Williams with immediate effect, wonder if that means Williams slipping further back?
I wonder what kind of non disclosure agreement he has, waiting to see if he slags them off as useless and not listening to him
Hasn't Paddy Lowe been out of the team since before the start of the season? This is just official severing of ties.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm
by Mito Man
Yep, he was used as the scape goat when the car wasn’t made ready on time for the pre-season test.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 pm
by jamcg
duncs500 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:14 pm
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06 am
Paddy Lowe leaving Williams with immediate effect, wonder if that means Williams slipping further back?
I wonder what kind of non disclosure agreement he has, waiting to see if he slags them off as useless and not listening to him
Hasn't Paddy Lowe been out of the team since before the start of the season? This is just official severing of ties.
He has, but it’s not to say he hasn’t been consulted On in an informal capacity, as he was still an employee- now he’s officially separated, it might make some difference. Also now no longer employed by Williams is he now free to comment on them in the media?
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:38 pm
by Orange Cola
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 pm
duncs500 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:14 pm
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06 am
Paddy Lowe leaving Williams with immediate effect, wonder if that means Williams slipping further back?
I wonder what kind of non disclosure agreement he has, waiting to see if he slags them off as useless and not listening to him
Hasn't Paddy Lowe been out of the team since before the start of the season? This is just official severing of ties.
He has, but it’s not to say he hasn’t been consulted On in an informal capacity, as he was still an employee- now he’s officially separated, it might make some difference. Also now no longer employed by Williams is he now free to comment on them in the media?
I wonder where he’s off to next.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:32 pm
by NotoriousREV
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:22 pm
duncs500 wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:14 pm
jamcg wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:06 am
Paddy Lowe leaving Williams with immediate effect, wonder if that means Williams slipping further back?
I wonder what kind of non disclosure agreement he has, waiting to see if he slags them off as useless and not listening to him
Hasn't Paddy Lowe been out of the team since before the start of the season? This is just official severing of ties.
He has, but it’s not to say he hasn’t been consulted On in an informal capacity, as he was still an employee- now he’s officially separated, it might make some difference. Also now no longer employed by Williams is he now free to comment on them in the media?
He’ll almost certainly have signed a 2-way non-disparagement agreement.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am
by Alex_
It's good to see McLaren at the right end of the grid but man that was a boring race. Ferrari, get your shit together! I'd sack Vettel for Riccardo. And well done 6-time world champion Lewis Hamilton.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:44 pm
by DaveE
Alex_ wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am
And well done 6-time world champion Lewis Hamilton.
It's looking that way isn't it...
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:58 pm
by Orange Cola
DaveE wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:44 pm
Alex_ wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:16 am
And well done 6-time world champion Lewis Hamilton.
It's looking that way isn't it...
I think at his current rate he can claim it not too long after the summer break, potentially around two thirds of the way through. Kind of makes me want the budget cap and I’m a Hamilton fan!
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:25 pm
by Mito Man
Not sure how much a budget cap would help, Ferrari and Red Bull are on a similar budget to Mercedes and clearly aren’t using that money as efficiently. Too much pizza and red bull stopping their brains working.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am
by Gavin
I do wonder whether we will see Alonso back next year. He is not a man who is prone to mistakes and I wonder how close the fight might have been last year with Alonso in the Ferrari v Hamilton in the Merc! When Alonso was in the Italian team, they made a few errors but he didn't from memory.
I suspect it won't happen but he did a second stint with McLaren so who knows.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:28 pm
by PaulJ
Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am
I do wonder whether we will see Alonso back next year. He is not a man who is prone to mistakes and I wonder how close the fight might have been last year with Alonso in the Ferrari v Hamilton in the Merc! When Alonso was in the Italian team, they made a few errors but he didn't from memory.
I suspect it won't happen but he did a second stint with McLaren so who knows.
Won't he be trying to engineer himself into the right car to complete the hat trick of FI champ, Indy and Le Mans winner. From memory that would be a unique set of gongs.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:54 pm
by Gavin
PaulJ wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:28 pm
Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am
I do wonder whether we will see Alonso back next year. He is not a man who is prone to mistakes and I wonder how close the fight might have been last year with Alonso in the Ferrari v Hamilton in the Merc! When Alonso was in the Italian team, they made a few errors but he didn't from memory.
I suspect it won't happen but he did a second stint with McLaren so who knows.
Won't he be trying to engineer himself into the right car to complete the hat trick of FI champ, Indy and Le Mans winner. From memory that would be a unique set of gongs.
Would be in the modern era Graham Hill did it) but after not qualifying this year I wonder f he is going to look again at what he wants. He may well end up doing a full season of Indycar if he can get into a decent team though.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:03 pm
by Rich B
Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:54 pm
PaulJ wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:28 pm
Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:24 am
I do wonder whether we will see Alonso back next year. He is not a man who is prone to mistakes and I wonder how close the fight might have been last year with Alonso in the Ferrari v Hamilton in the Merc! When Alonso was in the Italian team, they made a few errors but he didn't from memory.
I suspect it won't happen but he did a second stint with McLaren so who knows.
Won't he be trying to engineer himself into the right car to complete the hat trick of FI champ, Indy and Le Mans winner. From memory that would be a unique set of gongs.
Would be in the modern era Graham Hill did it) but after not qualifying this year I wonder f he is going to look again at what he wants. He may well end up doing a full season of Indycar if he can get into a decent team though.
He’ll just get huffy, make terrible decisions and end up in a shit car.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:14 pm
by integrale_evo
Alonso to Williams next year then

Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pm
by NotoriousREV
integrale_evo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:14 pm
Alonso to Williams next year then
No, his MO is to leave a team just as they come good and join a team just as they turn shit.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:06 pm
by Orange Cola
NotoriousREV wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:20 pm
integrale_evo wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:14 pm
Alonso to Williams next year then
No, his MO is to leave a team just as they come good and join a team just as they turn shit.
Ferrari are already shit, so it won’t be them

Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:09 pm
by Orange Cola
Mito Man wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:25 pm
Not sure how much a budget cap would help, Ferrari and Red Bull are on a similar budget to Mercedes and clearly aren’t using that money as efficiently. Too much pizza and red bull stopping their brains working.
Ferrari spend more than Mercedes, Red Bull are spending $100 million less than Ferrari.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:06 pm
by Mito Man
Well there you go. I think Williams have one of the bigger budgets within the midfield teams too

Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:39 pm
by Orange Cola
Ferrari (2nd in constructors championship) - $410-million total. ...
Mercedes (1st) - $400-million total. ...
Red Bull (3rd) - $310-million. ...
McLaren (6th) - $220-million. ...
Renault (4th) - $190-million. ...
Williams (10th) - $150-million. ...
Toro Rosso (9th) - $150-million. ...
Alfa Romeo Racing (ex-Sauber) (8th) - $135-million.
Re: No F1 thread?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:31 pm
by DaveE
Those budgets are ridiculous.
What happened to "Race on Sunday, sell on Monday"?
Now it must be "You have to sell on Monday so we can afford to go racing on Sunday"