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The news has changed a lot this week, much less focus on actual cases

Is it just me or is the BBC reporting this in a way that makes Keir Starmer look bad?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52287920

When I read the headline and preamble, my immediate reaction was that Starmer was being stupid. There’s no way the govt can give details like this yet as it’s all unknowable. But when you actually read the story (what a concept!) it’s clear he’s not asking for the exit strategy itself, just an understanding of what metrics will be used and how to determine the exit strategy.

I find it hard to trust any media not to be up to no good these days.

Giving the masses the parameters in my opinion is dangerous. It will be interpreted by a moron incorrectly, bandied around social media and before you know it 1.5 million people will be having house party's and car sharing as long as no dogs are present.

People are stupid.

Ascender wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:21 am Its all getting very political now isn't it?

You have to wonder how much of the fascination on the plan for existing lockdown is down to concerns about the economy and how much of it is just point-scoring.

It's political point scoring bullshit. Along with the whole how bad is our curve Bollocks.

Interesting tweets last night from Andrew Neil with some stats about how any remaining public confidence in the MSM has collapsed - too much focus on scoring political points and not enough on what people want which is the hard facts.

Someone told me yesterday that LAD Bible were asked a question at yesterday's conference and despite derision from the MSM it was regarded by a lot of commentators as one of the better questions. I've no idea what they asked though!

I’ve noticed a few articles on Keir phrased in such a way that
makes him look like a moron. Looks like the mainstream media already don’t like him which isn’t a very good way to start.

If they police more I don’t see why they can’t relax the lockdown to an extent where some normality can continue but social distancing remains. Might end up with less rebellious behaviour too if people can get out more.

Mito Man wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:58 am I’ve noticed a few articles on Keir phrased in such a way that
makes him look like a moron. Looks like the mainstream media already don’t like him which isn’t a very good way to start.

On the day they announced his leadership, the BBC showed a very short clip of his speech and then quite a lot of footage of him walking about, shaking hands with people. They didn’t bother to point out that the footage was obviously from pre-lockdown and that looked to me like it was done deliberately, too.

Maybe I need my paranoia looking at?

The Welsh Government have just confirmed that schools won't reopen next week and are preparing for a significant period of social distancing

Carlos wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:51 pm The Welsh Government have just confirmed that schools won't reopen next week and are preparing for a significant period of social distancing

Was that ever a realistic option? That’s like me confirming I won’t be driving for Ferrari in next years F1.

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:54 pm

Carlos wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:51 pm The Welsh Government have just confirmed that schools won't reopen next week and are preparing for a significant period of social distancing

Was that ever a realistic option? That’s like me confirming I won’t be driving for Ferrari in next years F1.

what!!! Sorry to hear that Dave...

Gutted t hear that Dave

Am I the only one who, on that very rare drive out, is giving other cars a lot more space.
Whether it's social distancing or just not being in a rush I'm not sure.

Wouldn't be the first time the BBC has done something like that, they don't seem to be clearly affiliated with a particular party at least. Seems that the Labour voters I know think it's right wing and the Cons voters think it's left.

In terms of self preservation it should certainly be more labour leaning.

No but I welled up having it confirmed

Sadly I think it's unlikely to be this school year and certainly not in its old guise.

It's a difficult time anyway but trying to educate my 14yr old daughter has at times broken me.

There will be a lot of kids who never catch up from this.

JonMad wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:59 pm Am I the only one who, on that very rare drive out, is giving other cars a lot more space.

I've been doing that to BMW's since 1998.

NotoriousREV wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:30 am The government is going to have to make some very difficult decisions in the next few weeks and months. There will come a crossover point where the economic impact is worse than the virus but it’ll be a tough choice to make and get right.

Interesting also that there's a definite political vested interest in biasing one side of that equation:

The lives of older mostly conservative voters vs the welfare (and ultimately lives) of poorer left-biased people.

Which is one reason I'm mildly surprised at Trump being so keen on getting everyone back out there early doors. I guess left/right over there isn't so closely correlated to income, so his choice is to sacrifice a few older voters to preserve the livelihoods of his younger voters

Carlos wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:02 pm No but I welled up having it confirmed

Sadly I think it's unlikely to be this school year and certainly not in its old guise.

It's a difficult time anyway but trying to educate my 14yr old daughter has at times broken me.

There will be a lot of kids who never catch up from this.

Denmark is attempting to reopen with 2m distancing - unless you have a lot of outside space there's no way you can hope to have that.

Nearly 4 weeks at home now with 5 and 2 year old. I'm broken. Gearing up for a leave/furlough/whatever discussion with boss and HR because even trying to get any work done in the evenings is leaving me tired and miserable. I'd rather just focus on the kids for that 14ish hours a day, have an hour or two to myself in the evening and get a good night's sleep without the pressure of work on top, or turning them into cbeebies zombies so I can make it to pointless calls.

Interesting on the BBC showing - if you ignore CV - how many more deaths there have been compared to the yearly average. Just goes to show that that balancing CV, the economy and general welfare is very, very difficult thing to do.

I'm gonna sound like Broccers, but for every life you're saving from CV, how many are dying due to poverty, violence at home, mental health issues or reluctance to get treatment for other issues?

simon_g wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:58 pm

Carlos wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:02 pm No but I welled up having it confirmed

Sadly I think it's unlikely to be this school year and certainly not in its old guise.

It's a difficult time anyway but trying to educate my 14yr old daughter has at times broken me.

There will be a lot of kids who never catch up from this.

Denmark is attempting to reopen with 2m distancing - unless you have a lot of outside space there's no way you can hope to have that.

Nearly 4 weeks at home now with 5 and 2 year old. I'm broken. Gearing up for a leave/furlough/whatever discussion with boss and HR because even trying to get any work done in the evenings is leaving me tired and miserable. I'd rather just focus on the kids for that 14ish hours a day, have an hour or two to myself in the evening and get a good night's sleep without the pressure of work on top, or turning them into cbeebies zombies so I can make it to pointless calls.

i definitely sympathise, my mrs has dropped a day of her 3 days a week to try and Help us cope, but I’m still looking after my 2yo for two days a week whilst working which basically doesn’t work!

Matty wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:03 pm Interesting on the BBC showing - if you ignore CV - how many more deaths there have been compared to the yearly average. Just goes to show that that balancing CV, the economy and general welfare is very, very difficult thing to do.

I'm gonna sound like Broccers, but for every life you're saving from CV, how many are dying due to poverty, violence at home, mental health issues or reluctance to get treatment for other issues?

March's overall figures are due out on April 24th here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence

Will be interesting to see the impact of Covid on those figures. Historically it looks to be around 45k per month up until June when it drops to about 40k.

There will undoubtedly be an increase but as Dave mentioned is a lot of the hysteria down to the MSM and their rabble rousing or will the figure be really bad? We'll see.

The wife seems to be coping ok but that is mainly down to having a small garden.

Ours are 4 and 6, she works 3 days a week from home but work have said to just get her work done however she can through the week.

The boys are in the garden most of the day, 2 hours of school (looking at volume, writing, reading, maths etc, she doesn’t have a blackboard and coursework) a day and no TV till after dinner to chill out before bed.

She found having them make their own breakfast, lunch and do all of their chores has been a great help as it passes the time and gets their brains working.

Without a garden though, I would probably be getting mind daggers!!!!

This is when the mummy support network is paying dividends!!

Dave!

Rich B wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:07 pm

simon_g wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:58 pm

Carlos wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:02 pm No but I welled up having it confirmed

Sadly I think it's unlikely to be this school year and certainly not in its old guise.

It's a difficult time anyway but trying to educate my 14yr old daughter has at times broken me.

There will be a lot of kids who never catch up from this.

Denmark is attempting to reopen with 2m distancing - unless you have a lot of outside space there's no way you can hope to have that.

Nearly 4 weeks at home now with 5 and 2 year old. I'm broken. Gearing up for a leave/furlough/whatever discussion with boss and HR because even trying to get any work done in the evenings is leaving me tired and miserable. I'd rather just focus on the kids for that 14ish hours a day, have an hour or two to myself in the evening and get a good night's sleep without the pressure of work on top, or turning them into cbeebies zombies so I can make it to pointless calls.

i definitely sympathise, my mrs has dropped a day of her 3 days a week to try and Help us cope, but I’m still looking after my 2yo for two days a week whilst working which basically doesn’t work!

Me too. It's really challenging! Both my wife and I are working from home so it's a really difficult balancing act. I'm on a lot of Teams video calls or on the phone in my office but my daughter just doesn't understand that Daddy is working and comes in for a chat whatever I'm doing. It's quite stressful. Especially so when I was furloughing people last week, it was a distraction I could do without.

It'd be easy to dump her in front of the TV for most of the day but we don't want to do that. We'll just have to keep juggling things until 1 or both of us get furloughed.

A positive though is that if I do get furloughed my employer will make up my wages to 90% gross. That helped with the conversations I had to have last week!!