Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:38 pm
Playing basketball?Mito Man wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:13 pm I see lots of able bodied disabled people do that very thing in disabled car park spaces...
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Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:58 pm
You should probably discuss it with someone else who virtue signals like you’re doing; Graham Linehan would be a good shout.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm
I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:57 pm
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Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:29 pm
Been on alcopops again?Jobbo wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:58 pmYou should probably discuss it with someone else who virtue signals like you’re doing; Graham Linehan would be a good shout.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:29 pm
Well put.mik wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:41 pm
I also have to add why is it needed to balance fuckin common sense these days. It's obvious that 25 stone Trevor now Teresa can throw a hammer twice as far as 8 stone was and still is Julie even tho they are in their squad for each country.Broccers wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:29 pmWell put.mik wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Bonkers
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:12 am
Oh, are you female now? Or are you actually virtue signalling?
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:39 pm
Fun fact; Linehan's birthday is the day after Broccers'. As you were (can I say that? 
).
Even if there was some way of figuring Bop, success ballast etc, would it make any difference in practice once people have gamed the rules?
).Even if there was some way of figuring Bop, success ballast etc, would it make any difference in practice once people have gamed the rules?
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:41 pm
Im 5 years younger cheeky scamp.nuttinnew wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:39 pm Fun fact; Linehan's birthday is the day after Broccers'. As you were (can I say that?
Even if there was some way of figuring Bop, success ballast etc, would it make any difference in practice once people have gamed the rules?
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:44 pm
I've still no clue what you're bleating about.Jobbo wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:12 amOh, are you female now? Or are you actually virtue signalling?
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:06 am
Broccers wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:41 pmIm 5 years younger cheeky scamp.nuttinnew wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:39 pm Fun fact; Linehan's birthday is the day after Broccers'. As you were (can I say that?
Even if there was some way of figuring Bop, success ballast etc, would it make any difference in practice once people have gamed the rules?
I hear you're an ageist now, Father Broccers.
"When's your birthday?"
"Randember eleventeenth."
"What year?"
"Every year."
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:22 am
Pretty sure that is not true?mik wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:23 am
25m pool. If you are 1.5m tall you need to swim 23.5m (assuming your push-off from the turn is almost non existent but the same principle applies) until your finger tips hit the other end. If you are 2.5m tall you need to swim 22.5m after every turn.Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:22 amPretty sure that is not true?mik wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Freestyle tumble turn? Point of rotation for a tall person is much further from the pool end than that of a short person.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:42 am
I suppose that depends whether your feet have swum as well? I do know what you mean, but not sure of the wording.mik wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:23 am25m pool. If you are 1.5m tall you need to swim 23.5m (assuming your push-off from the turn is almost non existent but the same principle applies) until your finger tips hit the other end. If you are 2.5m tall you need to swim 22.5m after every turn.Gavin wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:22 amPretty sure that is not true?mik wrote: Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:49 pm I don’t have any issue with folks making what is a simply massive change to their bodies and lives.
I don’t believe though that it is fair for men who have transitioned to women to then compete in competitive sport (particularly solo sports) as their new gender. It undeniably provides an unfair advantage - yeah you get strong ladies who were born as ladies, but on average men are bigger and stronger. Fact. Which is why you don’t hear issues about folks that transition in the other direction.
In saying that, it is very easy to argue that many sports favour specific genetic advantages. Not many short swimmers either - they have to swim further to complete a length of the pool. Abnormally big hands and/or feet help move more water. Not many massive single-seater racing drivers though. Some people have naturally faster reactions. Some people have better coordination. Yada yada.
So sport is unfair already. But this is moh unfayer.
Freestyle tumble turn? Point of rotation for a tall person is much further from the pool end than that of a short person.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:18 pm
I still don’t understand how this is allowed, just a quick look at human dimorphism on wiki shows how different men and women are.
“ Males typically have larger tracheae and branching bronchi, with about 30 percent greater lung volume per body mass. On average, males have larger hearts, 10 percent higher red blood cell count, higher hemoglobin, hence greater oxygen-carrying capacity. They also have higher circulating clotting factors (vitamin K, prothrombin and platelets). These differences lead to faster healing of wounds and higher peripheral pain tolerance.[99]”
At the end of the day I don’t see how taking a drug which inhibits testosterone production would reverse all the above unless it’s done from pre-pubescence.
“ Males typically have larger tracheae and branching bronchi, with about 30 percent greater lung volume per body mass. On average, males have larger hearts, 10 percent higher red blood cell count, higher hemoglobin, hence greater oxygen-carrying capacity. They also have higher circulating clotting factors (vitamin K, prothrombin and platelets). These differences lead to faster healing of wounds and higher peripheral pain tolerance.[99]”
At the end of the day I don’t see how taking a drug which inhibits testosterone production would reverse all the above unless it’s done from pre-pubescence.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:23 pm
I don't either, probably just a case of regulations lagging far far behind reality. Even if the athetic has the noblest of intent it still doesn't make it fair on the other competitors.Mito Man wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:18 pm At the end of the day I don’t see how taking a drug which inhibits testosterone production would reverse all the above unless it’s done from pre-pubescence.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:07 pm
Just stupid really. An example of the tyranny of the minority and the subversion of logic and reason.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:35 pm
I'm sure minorities are thrilled at having such power.
Re: Men in womens sport
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:56 pm
I'm sure it is a pretty useful power to be able to rely on whipping up confected outrage amongst a vocal number of supporters to rebut any suggestion that you are doing something unethical.
That's almost the definition of political power and lack of accountability isn't it? If you disagree with any suggestion that you can wield a certain form power by virtue of being in a minority group I think you're turning a blind eye to the evidence of the past several decades.
That's almost the definition of political power and lack of accountability isn't it? If you disagree with any suggestion that you can wield a certain form power by virtue of being in a minority group I think you're turning a blind eye to the evidence of the past several decades.