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GG. wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:11 pm Yes but he's totally fucking impartial apparently!

Reading that piece, he's not really taken a side - just pointed out the flaws in all the other studies. Which points do you disagree with?

Rich B wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:21 pm

GG. wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:11 pm Yes but he's totally fucking impartial apparently!

Reading that piece, he's not really taken a side - just pointed out the flaws in all the other studies. Which points do you disagree with?

It's not that one - but the later one where he says the ISC should be ashamed at bandying around worthless statistics. He doesn't apply that same level of criticism to Labour having formulated a whole policy that will affect 500,000 kids based on back of a fag packet calculations.

Obviously the reason they've done that is that Starmer is lying. It isn't being brought in to pay for schoolteachers but to attack something hard left Labour supporters abhor - therefore how much money it raises is completely irrelevant. The only thing that is starting to make them think twice is that it will actually cause chaos because there are absolutely no free state school places and they'll have thousands of kids they can't provide for.

The ridiculous thing is that at one point it was being talked of as a Conservative policy!

There was even a Guardian article today exploring the myriad issues that such a policy might result in!

I can't see it getting anywhere in reality - it's just a sop to the hardcore left in Labour. There'll be plenty of legal challenges to mean it can't be implemented immediately and even the unions are now starting to make some noise.

VAT on private schools is a bit like national service - it's just something to get the attention of and retain the votes of the more loony fringes of the voting bloc.

Anyway, getting back to the core of the thread, Legal Eagle has now covered the subject of the thread.

Swervin_Mervin wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 9:51 pm There was even a Guardian article today exploring the myriad issues that such a policy might result in!

I can't see it getting anywhere in reality - it's just a sop to the hardcore left in Labour. There'll be plenty of legal challenges to mean it can't be implemented immediately and even the unions are now starting to make some noise.

Legal challenges? There has been some guff spouted about that as well but the reality is that no tax law has ever been subject to legal challenge in the UK, and the forum for such a challenge would be the European Court of Human Rights so best wishes to the hardline Brexiters who try to use that - it doesn’t have any political risk that I can see; oh no

How many labour MPs send their kids to private school ? I bet the answer isn’t zero None of them will be very keen on that policy.

Sundayjumper wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:47 am How many labour MPs send their kids to private school ? I bet the answer isn’t zero None of them will be very keen on that policy.

Thats a pretty conservative thought process though, not every policy is aimed at solely improving your life.

The Tories seem 100% set on the idea that lowering taxes at the expense of public services is a good thing.

Beany wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 12:15 am Legal Eagle has now covered the subject of the thread.

That was pretty insightful. Cheers.

Rich B wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:10 am

Sundayjumper wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:47 am How many labour MPs send their kids to private school ? I bet the answer isn’t zero None of them will be very keen on that policy.

Thats a pretty conservative thought process though, not every policy is aimed at solely improving your life.

I wasn’t talking about me. There will be resistance to this policy due to it personally affecting some important people within the party.

It won’t happen. Lots of reasons, this is only one of them.

Yeah, it strikes me as labours 'reintroduce national service' moment - just something to keep those closer to the 'frothing at the mouth' elements engaged via the tabloids in an attempt to maintain their votes.

It's very funny that some of his people have been like "well, now that he's a felon he must appeal to black voters more".

He's recounted that boat/shark thing several times before

It seems to be his go-to when he short circuits and can't think of anything else to say

When someone much smarter than you says that they’ve never come across your question before, that’s usually their polite way of saying that you’ve asked something extremely stupid

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:36 am It's very funny that some of his people have been like "well, now that he's a felon he must appeal to black voters more".

Gavster wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:39 am

ZedLeg wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 9:36 am It's very funny that some of his people have been like "well, now that he's a felon he must appeal to black voters more".

He did that when shilling sneakers, apparently it would help him appeal to black voters, because black people like sneakers.

Edit - actually it was Fox that said it.

“This is (the shoes) connecting with Black America. Because they’re into sneakers. They love sneakers. This is a big deal. Certainly in the inner city,” Fox News contributor Raymond Arroyo said during a network broadcast.

It was a minority report video I saw of like Tim Pool or someone saying that black folk would see that he’s been screwed over by the law and find affinity.

Conveniently forgetting that Trump is one of America’s foremost users of the law to victimise minority people.