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240PP wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:16 am I’d love to hear what your reaction would be if one of those things ran at you baring its teeth. Blame the government while it’s tearing your arm off?

I really don’t get the point of your story tbh, apart from suggesting that you might be a bit highly strung for the dog park

Well, the title of the thread is ‘Bully XL’.

I’m still waiting for your advice on handling the situation. Take your mauling and roll your eyes at how woefully underfunded social care and education for dangerous dogs is? Blame wealth inequality?

Rich, the dog ran at me, it wasn’t arsed with my dog.

Imagine being a normal bloke getting called a cunt every time you went for a stroll but you were in the wrong if you did anything back ?

Now, dogs fighting is normal, it’s how things pan out but when instantly the larger dog is the mean one it winds me up.

After the damage it caused Cooper with smaller dogs I’m past it now. The last time he had a pair of dogs gnashing and snarling at him I just let him correct them, then told the owners to fuck off. 100% I was in the wrong but I was sick of having to pull my dog back for other dogs being twats.

I’ve only kicked 1 dog and I felt bad after but hitting a dog in the right way is what a lot of them need. This positive re-I for cement crap that trainers spout now is stupid. As is removing them from situations they don’t like.

We have 1 chap with an XL bully I see semi regularly, his dog is as the breed standard says, calm, affectionate and a fantastic family dog. Not like the bastardised crap that was bred and is all over the news.

Dave!

It didn’t bite you though and responded to it’s owner’s recall.

Just fyi, if it was as big and scary as you say, kicking it would’ve done fuck all except break your toe.

If you think you’re going to get attacked and can’t just run away try and get on top of it and pin it down.

240PP wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:43 am Well, the title of the thread is ‘Bully XL’.

I’m still waiting for your advice on handling the situation. Take your mauling and roll your eyes at how woefully underfunded social care and education for dangerous dogs is? Blame wealth inequality?

Rich, the dog ran at me, it wasn’t arsed with my dog.

You would see its teeth as it’s a Bully breed and it was running, the same as all types with that shape skull. My Rotties have all done the same.

Any dog I don’t know though that’s running at me, I’m fully prepared to kick it in the face.

I’d feel badly after though, unlike most humans.

Dave!

240PP wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:43 am Well, the title of the thread is ‘Bully XL’.

I’m still waiting for your advice on handling the situation. Take your mauling and roll your eyes at how woefully underfunded social care and education for dangerous dogs is? Blame wealth inequality?

Rich, the dog ran at me, it wasn’t arsed with my dog.

So basically, your dog ran and wound up another dog, then it came and barked at you (i’m assuming that’s all it did as you aren’t posting from hospital?) if i was the owner of that dog i’d be calling you a prick for letting your happy dog start it!

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:48 am
Just fyi, if it was as big and scary as you say, kicking it would’ve done fuck all except break your toe.

As to the above, my good lady wife used to wear walking boots and kick a ball for Flash. I used to throw it. We were walking and she threw the ball, went for a hard kick at which point Flash said “I don’t want to wait, I’ll get it before she kicks it” where upon she kicked him square in the jaw.

He got the ball, which hadn’t gone far, and brought it back, blood dripping from a split in his tongue waiting obediently for the next kick of the ball.

When I picked my wife up and carried her to the car to take her to hospital, she had broken 2 bones in her foot and due to the wait in A+E Flash had a late dinner

Dave!

Aye, I’ve had a big staffy leap on me and it’s like catching a bag of cement

ZedLeg wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:48 am It didn’t bite you though and responded to it’s owner’s recall.

Just fyi, if it was as big and scary as you say, kicking it would’ve done fuck all except break your toe.

I’ve already said these things.

V8Granite wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:53 am my good lady wife used to wear walking boots and kick a ball for Flash. I used to throw it. We were walking and she threw the ball, went for a hard kick at which point Flash said “I don’t want to wait, I’ll get it before she kicks it” where upon she kicked him square in the jaw.

He got the ball, which hadn’t gone far, and brought it back, blood dripping from a split in his tongue waiting obediently for the next kick of the ball.

When I picked my wife up and carried her to the car to take her to hospital, she had broken 2 bones in her foot and due to the wait in A+E Flash had a late dinner

Dave!

Ball is everything I can't remember the last time I saw a rottweiler in the wild

Various of the other points raised by peeps are more general Dog so are perhaps better there.

V8Granite wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 11:35 am Many ones you see over here are bastardised and not close to what the breed should be like.

Hopefully the breeders who are doing this and the dogs removed from the gene pool so the real breed can come back at some point.

Dave!

Slightly edited to agree, that it has happened to too many breeds.

DaveE wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:53 pm This whole thing always reminds me of Siegfried and Roy

Their tigers were always docile and gentle

They never attacked anyone

Until they did

Same thing with these dogs

IMO it's always about risk: how likely is it to happen, and what is the impact when it does?

It might not happen frequently, but when it does, it can be lethal

Always a good thing to remember.

This doesn't quite belong here but the 4 paw doesn't fit either; https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/new ... ei-317539/

Fuck this was horrific. A local owner somehow let his two Bully’s loose and the dogs went to a farm where they found an all you can eat buffet of live sheep. They killed 24 pregnant ewes and injured another 46. Farmer had to shoot the dogs himself. Jesus Christ.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cxe9e1jnr71o.amp

Fines £900. Whoopdedoo. Probably paid more than that each for them in the first place.

How is that not a prison sentence, and full compensation for the farmer? That seems like barely a slap on the wrist.

Edit: not specific to any breed of dog. The owners should be held accountable to a far greater extent.

I remember seeing this video on a special report about Biullys. These fucking dogs need culling. They are bread and bought to kill. A 'ban' isn't enough. Round them up and euthanise the lot of them, preferably with their owners.

No the breeders who bred them this way from an incestuous breed pool need killing. The dogs known to be bred from this pool need culling and all the good ones who are as the breed was bred to be should be left alone.

I’ve seen big, small, skinny, bad head shape etc all called XL Bully’s as the general public just see bill breed and think XL Bully. I was asked at a car show if Hutch was one of those XL dogs.

If your house keeps setting on fire you don’t just keep putting it out, you find what’s causing the fire. Destroy the bad breeders.

A list of well bred dogs which would absolutely maul a the XL Bully’s you see in these situations.

Rottweiler - badly bred one is an absolute weapon, incredible jaw and front end strength.
Cane Corso - hugely athletic, would run it down and kill it.
St Bernard - just hugely powerful and protective coat.
Leonberger - a more athletic St Bernard.
English Mastiff - just a machine whose day to day laziness doesn’t show the tank of a dog they are.

The difference is, they’ve been bred from a large gene pool where the bad XL Bully’s were bred from about 5 animals which came over (if I’ve remembered right) and the ones from America with genes you can follow are as the breed standard says they were bred for.

Key Characteristics of XL Bully Temperament:
Affectionate and Loyal: XL Bullies are known for forming strong bonds with their families and seeking their owners' affection.
Gentle with Known People: They are typically friendly and gentle with people they know, including children, when properly socialized.
Confident and Outgoing: Their confidence and outgoing nature make them excellent family pets.
Need for Early Socialization: Proper socialization and training are crucial for developing a well-adjusted XL Bully, especially when dealing with strangers and other animals.
Strong Protective Instincts: XL Bullies have a natural tendency to be protective of their families, which should be managed through proper training and socialization.
Eager to Please: Their eagerness to please makes them receptive to training and commands.
Varying Temperaments: While generally amiable, individual dogs may exhibit different temperaments depending on their breeding and individual personalities.

The same as a lot of large breeds basically. So what breed should we remove from existence next when these are no longer the flavour of the month ?

Remember to let the breeders get off Scot free, no need to deter this happening, just kill more animals for peoples fuck ups.

I’ll not reply any more, I’ll not be swayed on my opinion that bad breeders and their nice stupid dogs need to be removed, not the breed themselves.

Dave!

There's been a massive run of one breed of dog being involved in a lot of violent incidents, and banning a breed is an effective way to ensure that bad breeders are also eradicated. It's a blunt way to achieve it, but it will get rid of those breeders you talk about.

I'm sure the best solution would be to introduce a complex system of licenceses, certifications and microchipping for both breeders and owners, but that kind of system is a massive process to implement, and the press would absolutely hammer it as "red-tape Britain" and the government trying to control our pets. Someone like Russell Brand would then claim that Bill Gates wants to control his pet via the microchip and refuse to participate.

Because there's a hint of "Dogs don't kill people, people kill people" to the pro-Bully argument. It's still the dogs and the way they are controlled (breeders and owners) which needs some kind of oversight.

I could walk into a breeders and tell you within 1 minute if they are legitimate. Why can’t the police ?

Proper breeders even give you the family line, this is backed up by a quick phonecall to the proper breeders to confirm the mating. If there is any doubt, anything nefarious then if they deny a dna test remove the dogs and fine the breeders.

When I collected mine I was given details of the parents, met them with Flash and with Cooper and Hutch was given the details of the males breeders to contact them and go and see him if I wanted.

I 100% agree on muzzles till this is all sorted out but it’s really not hard. The only difficult part will be badly bred dogs with good temprament in well suited homes. I have no idea how that could be controlled though as even the Dogs Trust make almighty fuckups with their temprament tests.

Dave!