Coronavirus

[Ascender]

@Orange Cola She needs to be starting a constructive dismissal claim. She needs to be keeping notes and collecting evidence. Get her to speak to an employment solicitor who can advise properly. At the very least, she should be raising a formal grievance with HR, who must investigate properly. Any failure to do so would go very badly for them at a tribunal. In fact, their failure to investigate based on what your wife has already told them will count against them heavily.

Very much this. It has constructive dismissal written all over it.

[drcarlos]

In previous Aprils total deaths;
2016 46856
2017 39101
2018 46469
2019 44123

In previous March total deaths;
2016 48665
2017 48664
2018 51229
2019 43946

Average 48126.

Pandemic is an increase of .... 822 not many

Interesting. The official number of Coronavirus deaths for March is 5045 (if I’ve added up the numbers right). You’d definitely expect that to show a bigger bump. Do you know if those March numbers for 2020 are finalised, or do they revise them later? (ie is there a disclaimer on the data anywhere?)

I''d say that they are not finalised until they hit here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence
This will be on the 24th of April, but it's probably not going to change massively.

[KiwiDave]

@Orange Cola She needs to be starting a constructive dismissal claim. She needs to be keeping notes and collecting evidence. Get her to speak to an employment solicitor who can advise properly. At the very least, she should be raising a formal grievance with HR, who must investigate properly. Any failure to do so would go very badly for them at a tribunal. In fact, their failure to investigate based on what your wife has already told them will count against them heavily.

Very much this. It has constructive dismissal written all over it.

Thirded. Spectacular cuntery of the highest order, and to be honest based on what you've said they're skating very thin ice already, they only have to poke through it even slightly and an employment lawyer will have a field day. Document EVERYTHING.

Meanwhile we find out on Monday if NZ comes out of its 4wk lockdown or if it's extended. Either way next stage is still highly restrictive, basically allows schoolkids below 14 to return to school only if parents feel it necessary, non-essential work to resume providing strict guidelines on distancing can be met (basically the same as essential worker guidelines) and food can be ordered via non-contact methods from takeaways again. Still limits of 10 people max on weddings and funerals.

For me that means no chance I think - I can work from home so I will, zero non essential movement. Comfortingly though, it genuinely seems as though all decisions are being made off fact, sound statistical modeling and evidence - doesn't seem to be much politics or personal agenda in it at all.

Edit to add, looking at the second graph on this page clicky comforting to see currently that recovered cases outweigh new ones.

[Broccers]

In previous March total deaths;
2016 48665
2017 48664
2018 51229
2019 43946

Average 48126.

Pandemic is an increase of .... 822 not many

Interesting. The official number of Coronavirus deaths for March is 5045 (if I’ve added up the numbers right). You’d definitely expect that to show a bigger bump. Do you know if those March numbers for 2020 are finalised, or do they revise them later? (ie is there a disclaimer on the data anywhere?)

I''d say that they are not finalised until they hit here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence
This will be on the 24th of April, but it's probably not going to change massively.

Yes it will be different in 100s but not 1000s.

I would say these facts aren't being discussed to keep us under lock and key

I did get stopped by the Police yesterday when doing a job. The car in front got an absolute bollocking for their none essential journey. The copper was properly losing his shit. They let me go fortunately

[Swervin_Mervin]

Interesting. The official number of Coronavirus deaths for March is 5045 (if I’ve added up the numbers right). You’d definitely expect that to show a bigger bump. Do you know if those March numbers for 2020 are finalised, or do they revise them later? (ie is there a disclaimer on the data anywhere?)

I''d say that they are not finalised until they hit here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence
This will be on the 24th of April, but it's probably not going to change massively.

Yes it will be different in 100s but not 1000s.

I would say these facts aren't being discussed to keep us under lock and key

I did get stopped by the Police yesterday when doing a job. The car in front got an absolute bollocking for their none essential journey. The copper was properly losing his shit. They let me go fortunately

Set that against the fact that people aren't out having as many accidents though. And how are those compiled e.g. is that died of CV19 or with CV19? If you have a terminal cancer patient that's 2mo to live but they die sooner due to CV19 is that counted as a CV19 death?

Very easy to see how making an accurate comparison is incredibly difficult in reality.

[Foz]

Agreed it’s difficult to compare meaningfully but what we are not seeing is a massive change in the average numbers...

[drcarlos]

I''d say that they are not finalised until they hit here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... lresidence
This will be on the 24th of April, but it's probably not going to change massively.

Yes it will be different in 100s but not 1000s.

I would say these facts aren't being discussed to keep us under lock and key

I did get stopped by the Police yesterday when doing a job. The car in front got an absolute bollocking for their none essential journey. The copper was properly losing his shit. They let me go fortunately

Set that against the fact that people aren't out having as many accidents though. And how are those compiled e.g. is that died of CV19 or with CV19? If you have a terminal cancer patient that's 2mo to live but they die sooner due to CV19 is that counted as a CV19 death?

Very easy to see how making an accurate comparison is incredibly difficult in reality.

Very much this.
There are senior health officials in both Germany and the US that have gone on record (in video's) questioning the codifing deaths as Covid when they shouldn't be. We've seen statements also from Italy where patients have presented with Heart Disease, Diabetes and high blood pressure, all of which could have killed them but having have Covid too the death is recorded as Covid.
We have evidence that deaths have been recorded like this in the UK too. Where both the Eddie Large and Chloe Middleton cases were recorded as Covid where one was heart failure and the other a heart attack.
If the numbers don't show a huge increase in the month to month based on the average, there must be a robbing peter to pay paul situation going on, but that 24th figure will clarify March.
Maybe we'll get a weeks extension on the lockdown until the 24th as it will be difficult to maintain any pretence if the evidence suggests that the number of deaths is not massively increased.

[drcarlos]

Just seen this too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

I am not for one minute suggesting we go back to normal straight away but Denmark, Austria and Germany have all started relaxing conditions, so a similar approach could be taken.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Just seen this too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

I am not for one minute suggesting we go back to normal straight away but Denmark, Austria and Germany have all started relaxing conditions, so a similar approach could be taken.

I do think we'll see an easing within the next few weeks - but I still think it's too soon to tell where we are on the curve. It appears to be flattening off.

But even then it can't be a full return. As an example, and speaking personally, what do you do about those kids of those highest risk individuals? I can't see our lad being able to return to school until the wife's vaccinated. Or at the very least until a highly successful treatment is established (I "gather" that some pharmas are testing existing drugs now they've determined that there appears to be a genetic reason why some come off worse than others).

[Sundayjumper]

I agree with drcarlos. Article here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

Says:

“The average number of conditions those who were dying had was 2.7“

So it’s absolutely not clear cut, it sounds like in the majority of cases it’s contributory or the final straw, and not the sole cause of death.

[Carlos]

They are giving plasma from recovered patients to new hospitalised patients here in Wales as a trial as well.

[JonMad]

Just seen this too: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52308783

I am not for one minute suggesting we go back to normal straight away but Denmark, Austria and Germany have all started relaxing conditions, so a similar approach could be taken.

I do think we'll see an easing within the next few weeks - but I still think it's too soon to tell where we are on the curve. It appears to be flattening off.

But even then it can't be a full return. As an example, and speaking personally, what do you do about those kids of those highest risk individuals? I can't see our lad being able to return to school until the wife's vaccinated. Or at the very least until a highly successful treatment is established (I "gather" that some pharmas are testing existing drugs now they've determined that there appears to be a genetic reason why some come off worse than others).

The return to schools is a worry, as even if you might be considered low risk (or at least, not high risk), who knows how bad someone in your immediate family might get it.

[drcarlos]

3 weeks? Who thinks they've said this so a few (like everyone who went to the beach) people don't take the piss thinking that things may be lifting soon?

[Ascender]

Three weeks isn’t any surprise is it? I was looking at the Google report for Midlothian last weekend and there was a clear spike in people going out again with the nice weather and I’ve definitely noticed more cars on the road and people out in the local area this week.

[Swervin_Mervin]

They're waiting for it to start raining I reckon

[Rich B]

I’m having to go out for work tomorrow, I have a site survey with subcontractors. I’ve had to do a lot more organising than a normal survey to give everyone space, security are propping open all the doors Before we get there, I have several sessions to minimise numbers on site, etc....

I’d rather not, but I think I’ve minimised the risk as much as possible and there’s no way to get the costs without the survey. Weird times.

[integrale_evo]

Was always going to be extended, no way they're going to lift it until they see a definite drop in numbers over a reasonable period.

On a different note, our local hospital, where my other half was, has admitted 88 patients with corona. 17 have died, 41 still on hospital and 30 discharged / sent home.

[Rich B]

Is she home Harry?

[drcarlos]

Apparently they didn't expect the adherehence that they have had:

I was hoping for weekly reviews and maybe minor adjustments based on what was happening. 3 weeks before any sort of review seems to be kicking the can down the road a bit far based on the other countries (even Spain that was far worse hit than the UK opening up some restrictions) taking small actions.

[Rich B]

Just been and collected mrs H after 5 nights in hospital. The difference between when she went in and how she is today is remarkable.

i might have missed this one!