It’s all a bit like at the petrol station where you can get up to 4 nozzles



32% of homes have no off street parking so you've 1/3 of the housing stock that that's not going to work for (going back to the cables danging from windows example someone posted earlier). That will require a move to something like inductive charging pads otherwise you're going to disenfranchise a lot of people from the electric changeover - ironically those in inner cities where pollution is most marked.Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:40 pmMost people will charge at home and this will cater for a majority of journeys. Charging connectors appear to have standardised (type 2/CCS).GG. wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:25 pm All this talk of charging four wheeled white goods has made me realise how many hours of my life I've saved not having to research a thousand different types of plug.![]()
Seriously though - there will be no mass transition to BEVs until the infrastructure/technology makes a next generation shift - i.e. roads / car parks with inductive charging under each space. Basically something to avoid the inevitable bottlenecking which will very quickly happen when the number of EVs exceeds the number of chargers by a huge multiple. The differing standards among chargers/providers exacerbates the problem but dealing with that doesn't solve the issue of capacity generally.
Going back to the 2035 target - the most annoying thing about top down regulation is that the powers that be set a target for a changeover with an arbitrary deadline and care nothing about whether or not it is achievable and the chaos that accompanies everyone scrambling to find solutions. Anyone working in finance will be familiar with that at the moment with the LIBOR phase out. No clue of what will easily replace it but a totally unrealistic deadline that no more LIBOR loans are to be written by Q3 this year![]()
Christ I'm no EV evangelist but some of you sound like horse and cart drivers upon hearing of the invention of the ICE![]()
So 68% of homes would be capable of home-charging. And that's before you factor in the roll-out of on-street charging inrfastructure, which has already started, albeit not quick enough imo. And even then, many of those 32% are likely to be in apartment developments, for which I'd imagine it's going to start to become increasingly important that site landlords start to consider having to put charging infrastructure in.GG. wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:50 pm32% of homes have no off street parking so you've 1/3 of the housing stock that that's not going to work for (going back to the cables danging from windows example someone posted earlier). That will require a move to something like inductive charging pads otherwise you're going to disenfranchise a lot of people from the electric changeover - ironically those in inner cities where pollution is most marked.Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:40 pmMost people will charge at home and this will cater for a majority of journeys. Charging connectors appear to have standardised (type 2/CCS).GG. wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:25 pm All this talk of charging four wheeled white goods has made me realise how many hours of my life I've saved not having to research a thousand different types of plug.![]()
Seriously though - there will be no mass transition to BEVs until the infrastructure/technology makes a next generation shift - i.e. roads / car parks with inductive charging under each space. Basically something to avoid the inevitable bottlenecking which will very quickly happen when the number of EVs exceeds the number of chargers by a huge multiple. The differing standards among chargers/providers exacerbates the problem but dealing with that doesn't solve the issue of capacity generally.
Going back to the 2035 target - the most annoying thing about top down regulation is that the powers that be set a target for a changeover with an arbitrary deadline and care nothing about whether or not it is achievable and the chaos that accompanies everyone scrambling to find solutions. Anyone working in finance will be familiar with that at the moment with the LIBOR phase out. No clue of what will easily replace it but a totally unrealistic deadline that no more LIBOR loans are to be written by Q3 this year![]()
Christ I'm no EV evangelist but some of you sound like horse and cart drivers upon hearing of the invention of the ICE![]()
I think you also underestimate the chaos that would result from a large scale move to BEVs and insufficient charging capacity away from home. A lot of people are not going to be organised enough or will unexpectedly have to do journeys for which they haven't enough charge. If you have millions of EVs you will still need a sea change in charging capacity away from the home.
Oh and of course let's not forget about the elephant in the room... power generation capacity.
Look - I'm not saying EVs will not in the end be better than ICEs - I'm sure that day will come. My criticism is aimed more at the silly willy waving re arbitrary targets "Neh neh we can ban things 5 years earlier than yooooou". Its childish.
What's going on with electric bikes? In many ways they've got more potential than the cars Shirley?NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:49 pm Apparently the ban doesn’t apply to motorbike. Join us...
You mean used prices when the ban comes in or new now that it's been announced?
Batteries are big and heavy, bikes are small and light. There’s a couple of very good, but very expensive electric bikes out there (Zero and Harley Davidson for example). But they’re not quite as well developed as cars yet, though. Range is the killer due to the battery size constraints and the fact that so many bikes are used as a weekend toy. You need a 200 mile range, realistically, which is about double what they actually have in the real world. I’d consider one as a commuter, though, if they were about 25% cheaper.duncs500 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:51 pmWhat's going on with electric bikes? In many ways they've got more potential than the cars Shirley?NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:49 pm Apparently the ban doesn’t apply to motorbike. Join us...
Both I suppose. The challenge is to not be holding an ICE car when the bottom falls out. Easily done with new-ish cars that most people turn over relatively frequently anyway, less so if you want to have something nice in the garage that you want to keep for longer (like I do).Swervin_Mervin wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:28 pmYou mean used prices when the ban comes in or new now that it's been announced?
The former - most appliances will become dirth cheap I'd expect, with some of the rare stuff holding firm. The latter - nowt for some time?
You'd think manufacturers will reach a point in the next 5-10years where they'd want to stop offering ICE cars new anyway. Given the shift in ownership from purchase to rental that's happened, and the fact they could face a massive hit on residuals, why would they continue?
Interesting, I just remembered watching the electric ones going round the IOM TT a couple of years ago and it looked pretty rapid... I guess it was one lap or something though so not very practical.NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:36 pmBatteries are big and heavy, bikes are small and light. There’s a couple of very good, but very expensive electric bikes out there (Zero and Harley Davidson for example). But they’re not quite as well developed as cars yet, though. Range is the killer due to the battery size constraints and the fact that so many bikes are used as a weekend toy. You need a 200 mile range, realistically, which is about double what they actually have in the real world. I’d consider one as a commuter, though, if they were about 25% cheaper.duncs500 wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:51 pmWhat's going on with electric bikes? In many ways they've got more potential than the cars Shirley?NotoriousREV wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:49 pm Apparently the ban doesn’t apply to motorbike. Join us...
I’ve ridden a KTM Freeride-E a few times (MX bike on an MX track) and it was great fun, and for an MX novice a lot easier to ride than a 125 with 6 gears.