New MOT rules

[ilmostro]

Proof that this isn't a car forum - no one has picked up on this!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ot-testers

[V8Granite]

All good things imo.

Dave!

[NotoriousREV]

No ones picked up on them because we all lease and hand our cars back before the first MOT is due.

I hope Gwaredd’s Auris doesn’t fail because he’s removed his DPF.

[NotoriousREV]

All good things imo.

Dave!

I’m not convinced about the whole “cars built before 1978 don’t need an MOT” thing.

[Gavin]

All good things imo.

Dave!

I’m not convinced about the whole “cars built before 1978 don’t need an MOT” thing.

Speaking to others with classic Swedish metal, none grudge an MOT fee per year as on occasion it throws up something to rectify. Consensus seems to be it was a change for no good reason.

[V8Granite]

All good things imo.

Dave!

I’m not convinced about the whole “cars built before 1978 don’t need an MOT” thing.

I forgot about that.

They should definitely have an annual MOT but I thought that came into affect a while back ?

Dave!

[John]

I had a flat battery on the Berlingo over winter after I didn't use it for a few weeks, after charging it the EML came on which is now an MOT failure. No idea if it's connected to the battery going flat but it's a bit of a coincidence. The codes are linked to the MAF and EGR! If I clear them they stay off for around 3 or 4 engine starts so if I do this in the MOT garage car park the EML may stay off for the MOT It might fail on other stuff although it does have a good MOT history and lowish miles and drives perfectly with zero smoke.

If the new rules get rid of the ridiculously smokey Skoda Fabias that the yoof love around here then that is a good thing.

[Matty]

Aren't people who've had their DPF removed (or unknowingly bought a car without) screwed now? Or can you still pass without?

[NotoriousREV]

Aren't people who've had their DPF removed (or unknowingly bought a car without) screwed now? Or can you still pass without?

You’re not supposed to pass without one.

[integrale_evo]

I'm going to sling the engine back into the camper and drive it around with huge holes everywhere

I can see what they're saying, really old cars usually do few miles a year, usually at a pretty sedate pace, and owned by enthusiasts who look after them, and because of the rate of failure is a lot lower than more modern cars, plus as more and more is added to the test for modern vehicles it becomes less and less relevant to older cars where the becomes little more than a check to make sure the tyres are legal, wheels aren't about to fall off, lights work and brake lines aren't rusted through.

It is a slight concern that a load of 40 year old knackers which shouldn't be on the road are suddenly going to reappear.

1978 seems a bit too recent to me for some reason, only 9 more years until the golf doesn't need an mot

[integrale_evo]

Aren't people who've had their DPF removed (or unknowingly bought a car without) screwed now? Or can you still pass without?

Yes, just like anyone who takes a catalyst of a petrol car that needs one is.

They're supposed to check not just that it's not been removed, but also if it is there that it's not been cut open and welded back up to remove the guts.

[Orange Cola]

I'm going to sling the engine back into the camper and drive it around with huge holes everywhere

I can see what they're saying, really old cars usually do few miles a year, usually at a pretty sedate pace, and owned by enthusiasts who look after them, and because of the rate of failure is a lot lower than more modern cars, plus as more and more is added to the test for modern vehicles it becomes less and less relevant to older cars where the becomes little more than a check to make sure the tyres are legal, wheels aren't about to fall off, lights work and brake lines aren't rusted through.

It is a slight concern that a load of 40 year old knackers which shouldn't be on the road are suddenly going to reappear.

1978 seems a bit too recent to me for some reason, only 9 more years until the golf doesn't need an mot

I'd disagree with that, classic cars are just as bad for people not looking after them as new ones.

A lot of the classic car guys do pay for MoTs each year because it's a safety check and another pair of trained eyes looking at the car they'll probably be taking their family out in. They also look for cars with an MoT history as it shows someone who's serious about the maintenance, folk who don't MoT their classics usually have something to hide.

[drcarlos]

Consensus from my team mates who both own garages is it nothing to bother about really. The dpf thing will bother a few, but with specialists in dpf repair as opposed to being seen off at a stealers for a new one it will men more business for them. The rest isn’t much of a change the tester could always fail a car with a serious fault and take it off the road it just didn’t happen often. It just adds another category where they can do the same. Some of the forums and Facebook groups have been melting down though like it’s the end of the world.

Carl

[Matty]

Aren't people who've had their DPF removed (or unknowingly bought a car without) screwed now? Or can you still pass without?

Yes, just like anyone who takes a catalyst of a petrol car that needs one is.

They're supposed to check not just that it's not been removed, but also if it is there that it's not been cut open and welded back up to remove the guts.

Ah, but previously without a cat you were pretty much guaranteed to fail on emissions.

Whereas (AFAIWA) you could still pass a diesel without a DPF as the only way to tell was via inspection, and most just looked the same as they knocked the innards out so it looked correct externally?

[nuttinnew]

1978 seems a bit too recent to me for some reason, only 9 more years until the golf doesn't need an mot

My Polo is in by a year
It's a lot further out being fit for the road though


As said above, why wouldn't you take it for an mot anyway? If only to save hassle with hassle the police and insurance should something happen.

[Orange Cola]

A lot of the turbo hot hatch owners are worried as they've bought either cheap sports cats or complete de-cat systems spouting off about how the more expensive systems are a complete waste of money which is quite amusing because they all think they fall on the borderline or fail side of the new regs.

See also the one person a week who pitches up with at least £3k's worth of mix and match modifications and can't get anywhere to pass the car on emissions and is looking at a big bill to get their one and only car back to a compliant level.

[integrale_evo]

TBH emissions faffing is the reason I wanted a pre 1992 donor metro for my eventual project. The emissions test is the only thing I worry about on any of our cars at mot time. Other stuff I can feel / see and fix myself. Emissions are always a complete mystery until you turn up on the day.

[John]

Isn't it the diesel emissions that have become stricter rather than petrols?

[integrale_evo]

Yes, but I think they're going to be more strict on the removal of emission control devices on all cars.