Notre-Dame

[GG.]

In think if I were in that position I'd be more tumescent baguette than batard

[Mito Man]

That’s what a €30 billion net worth gets you.

[evostick]

That’s what a €30 billion net worth gets you.

...but is he happy

[Richard]

I went a few years back

I’m so torn about it.

I respect the craftsmanship and the history.

But being there filled me with such disgust. Outside there are beggars literally starving. Inside there’s arts and gold worth who knows what. I hated it so much

I guess my issues lie with the gross hypocrisy of the church and not with the building

I hope they rebuild it

[GG.]

What, pray tell, does that have to do with the Catholic Church. It isn't 1650 and it isn't their responsibility to provide a welfare net for the disadvantaged of Paris. Direct your ire at the French state if you must. The same French state that taxes and spends very nearly half of GDP.

[Gavin]

Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?

From the pictures and reports it would seem to be in far better nick than initially assumed which is good news, hopefully it can be restored as it is certainly a beautiful building.

[Mito Man]

They’re crowdfunding from billionaires right now.

The Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations so I do find it odd that they’re constantly moaning about maintenance costs and seemingly never help out with charitable contributions when there is a disaster.

[GG.]

I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.

Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.

If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.

[DaveE]

Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?

From the pictures and reports it would seem to be in far better nick than initially assumed which is good news, hopefully it can be restored as it is certainly a beautiful building.

Many years ago I used to work for a high street bank and they didn't insure most of their branches (the buildings anyway) - they'd rather carry the risk that once in a while something happens, than pay £££s in premiums every year.

[Richard]

If it is insured, it’s probably insured by a group of insurers

Often very expensive things are insured by groups of insurers rather than just Lloyd’s of London (as an example). This is the case with the ISS, which if catastrophically damaged, would ruin most insurers, so different companies insure percentages of it

[Gavin]

I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.

Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.

If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.

I am fairly sure the RC Church is a massive landowner and landlord so I am sure they have more than enough money rolling in or could rent out relics to museums etc etc. I am sad an Historically significant building has been damaged but I cannot find much sympathy for the RC Church as an organisation.

Hm, edited to add, who actually owns it? Seems it might be a French National Monument? In the same way as no doubt Windsor Palace belongs to the UK public.....

[mik]

If it is insured, it’s probably insured by a group of insurers

Often very expensive things are insured by groups of insurers rather than just Lloyd’s of London (as an example). This is the case with the ISS, which if catastrophically damaged, would ruin most insurers, so different companies insure percentages of it

That wasnt me! Someone must have reversed into me in the space park!

[Mito Man]

They own plenty of very large office buildings in London and all the other major cities. I imagine the rent they earn worldwide must make the Crown Estate look pretty worthless in comparison.

[ZedLeg]

What, pray tell, does that have to do with the Catholic Church. It isn't 1650 and it isn't their responsibility to provide a welfare net for the disadvantaged of Paris. Direct your ire at the French state if you must. The same French state that taxes and spends very nearly half of GDP.

I know right, it's not like Jesus ever said anything about helping those less well off than you or the evils of hoarding wealth .

[McSwede]

I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.

Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.

If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.

This whole event has been such a tragedy. Thankfully they have managed to save a lot of stuff.

On the subject of the Catholic church, they've usually got plenty of cash to pay off victims of the many paedo priests that they protect.

I always find it a disgrace that the Catholic church in particular can plead poverty and ask people to pay for what it should be covering from its vast coffers.

[Swervin_Mervin]

I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.

Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.

If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.

This whole event has been such a tragedy. Thankfully they have managed to save a lot of stuff.

On the subject of the Catholic church, they've usually got plenty of cash to pay off victims of the many paedo priests that they protect.

I always find it a disgrace that the Catholic church in particular can plead poverty and ask people to pay for what it should be covering from its vast coffers.

It's what they've been doing best for centuries.

[KiwiDave]

I suspect a lot of that has to do with liquid versus illiquid wealth. If your wealth is tied up in land held since time immemorial, priceless artifacts and antiquities, its not quite the same as cash sloshing around in bank accounts.

Clearly they'll have a lot in liquid or assets convertible to cash as well, but the headline figures for the aggregate overall wealth of the church are probably highly misleading.

If you spunk half a billion (or many multiples of that possibly) rebuilding one church in Paris I think you'll find you'll burn through that stack of money quite quickly.

...or could rent out relics to museums etc etc.

As though museums have any fucking money whatsoever!

[nuttinnew]

Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?

The small print; "does not cover acts of God".

[Gavin]

Are Historic buildings insured? If the Catholic Church owns the building surely they are more than able to cover any repairs needed, rather than crowdfunding from poor people?

The small print; "does not cover acts of God".

[tim]

Notre-Dame is owned by the State and leased to the Guild of Peados for free.

I found a fantastic thread on Twitter where some fairyist proclaimed it a miracle that the cross and alter were saved, praise be, and then got burned (lol) by the science of melting points of gold and burning temp of wood based fires.