Bye bye Theresa

[GG.]

They all had a majority against but I think we agree. Knock out the outliers and keep going until you land on the one that has the most support (even if it is a minority of the house). Maybe then there is an argument for a referendum on that option versus no deal.

[Richard]

Work out our best possible Brexit. Then, once we all finally know what Brexit means, host a referendum asking us if we actually want that. We’d have a much better, and possibly more truthful idea of what being in or out of the EU will actually mean for us

[Swervin_Mervin]

Trouble with that is the Cons, whilst having a free vote, abstained in large numbers from the votes on CM 2.0 and EFTA/EEA. I guess there's no way of forcing them to vote, but ideally there ought to be in order to move things forward. I have a suspicion that CM2.0 would've been a much closer result otherwise.

Hence I'm hoping MV3 either isn't permitted or is defeated again, to hopefully ensure more actually vote on Monday for an alternative

[240PP]

[Jobbo]

I don't think there's great support for MV3 so if it gets voted upon, it should be defeated easily again. As people like Jacob and Boris vacillate and maybe support it, so Remainers are likely to vote against on the basis that defeating it pushes us towards a softer Brexit, second referendum or revocation.

[DeskJockey]

I'm not saying anything like that. Improving is always possible, I've not said anything about how. Interesting that you'll not even consider the point, but automatically assume that I'm talking about whatever is in May's deal.

Where have I assumed you were talking about May's deal (as opposed to saying that presumably it would be your reformed European utopia versus May's deal in a referendum (or no deal))?

I have considered your point but (without wanting to be too harsh) there's not an awful lot to consider given its vagueness. I can't see that you've suggested any mechanism to try and deliver what the British people are asking for given the current structure of the EU. Improving things is manifestly not always possible if your ambition with regard to "improvement" is improving things in the British interest when that is opposed to the interests of other member states.

If it is improvement from the perspective of thowing ourselves headlong into the 'projet européen' against the wishes of the UK in the hope it would win you influence over the direction of that integration and maybe how many batallions you have to provide towards a European army and whether the speed limiter system is set at 75 or 80km/h, then as I said, you'd get absolutely panned if you put that the people and were honest about your intentions.

Fair point, I made an assumption. However, can you explain what the British people want? Because I don't think anyone knows. You seem sure that nobody would want to try another approach. What is that based on?

[Rich B]

It’s just more of the same everywhere. Everyone is looking at it with their own bias and stating it’s obviously the answer.

Remainers will say that if we can’t work out how to leave then we should stay.

Leavers will say that the vote was to leave so we should leave regardless.

Labour will just disagree with everything to be Cunts.

GG will... er... I don’t know, there doesn’t seem to be any actual answer in his posts..

Etc....

[speedingfine]

Frankie Boyle's on tomorrow night. Should be funny

[NotoriousREV]

Remember when no one really gave our EU membership a second thought?

[Orange Cola]

I think TM’s offer of resigning is clever. She’s offered her resignation knowing her deal won’t get voted through and that allows her to do a few things in the future when things develop more;

1) point the HoC (and not just her own party!) back to this period in time and tell them they had their opportunity to get rid of her and didn’t go for it
2) publicly - politically - point out that she isn’t the one to blame for this mess but its the HoC/MP’s who couldn’t get their act together
3) when she does eventually leave she can go on to making a fuck ton of cash being a post PM dinner party speaker or company advisory of some sort by selling her story as the ‘most difficult negotiation’ of the modern period or some such shit

[JonMad]

Some of the commentary on the BBC News today suggesting some Labour MPs are going to vote for the WA, so it might just sneak though.

[GG.]

Raab also now folded and will vote for. DUP still against though so they need enough Labour MPs to vote for it to cover the DUP and Tory Rebels - that suggests maybe 20ish. Still seems like a very long shot to me.

[Richard]

Remember when no one really gave our EU membership a second thought?

Except for the Mail and Express with their “EU bans..” stories

[Richard]

As long as they keep voting until they get the outcome they want...

[Jobbo]

Raab also now folded and will vote for.

Hilarious - he negotiated the withdrawal agreement, resigned because he was so opposed to it, and has now voted for it. An utter idiot

I'm looking forward to seeing how the MPs voted, now it's gone down for the third time.

There's no time for a different deal, so we seem destined either to leave with no deal on 12 April or to remain indefinitely. While leaving with no deal is automatic, it was automatically going to happen today...

[Jobbo]

5pm press conference called by No.10. Could the thread title finally come true?

[NotoriousREV]

5pm press conference called by No.10. Could the thread title finally come true?

Nah. She'll brazen it out. Long delay.

[Jobbo]

I think long delay is right - but I think she'll cause a long delay by calling an election.

[Zonda_]

I think long delay is right - but I think she'll cause a long delay by calling an election.

That worked well for her last time!

[GG.]

I don't think so - not after the last debacle where she threw away her majority. Anyway FTPA innit bruv - she can't go to the country without a vote in the house allowing her. We now also have the TIGgers as well as the DUP who would vote against that so you'd need an awful lot of Tory Turkeys to vote for Christmas to get an election through.

The interesting thing about a possible long delay is it obviously isn't just a simple as ask and you'll get. We need to demonstrate a way forward prior to 12 April to get the council to agree. I actually think No Deal just got a chunk more likely, just delayed a little while.

Not beyond possibility that she'll resign at 5pm tho.