Bye bye Theresa

[GG.]

The SI has been laid anyway, so your argument is technical and irrelevant:

Laid but presumably given the timing subject to the affirmative rather than negative resolution procedure (as the latter has a 40 day period to come into effect). So not irrelevant just yet as it needs to be voted on and passed.

Now an irrelevant discussion as the SI has been passed (100ish voted for chaos).

[Simon]

The SI has been laid anyway, so your argument is technical and irrelevant:

Laid but presumably given the timing subject to the affirmative rather than negative resolution procedure (as the latter has a 40 day period to come into effect). So not irrelevant just yet as it needs to be voted on and passed.

Now an irrelevant discussion as the SI has been passed (100ish voted for fire and brimstone end of the universe type stuff).

FTFY

[GG.]

As a Northern Irish person, I can't believe the D U fucking P are the ones holding the powerstrings for probably the most important issue in European politics for severalgenerations. It's insanity.

Irrespective of their political positions on any other matter, their desire to see Northern Ireland not carved off or treated differently from the rest of the UK has been impeccable and they've acted with the same level of cohesion as Barnier et al.

Its actually quite fortunate that they are in a position of influence as otherwise Theresa May could have potentially ignored the position of NI entirely.

I think its deeply fortuitous that it happened to be the DUP in particular as kingmaker, rather than any other minor party just at the most important time for Northern Ireland constitutionally since the Good Friday agreement in the late 90s.

I guess that's speaking from the position of a unionist however. I suppose if you wanted a united ireland (at least regulatorily) then you'd be annoyed the DUP are there stopping May from sacrificing the North on the altar of Brexit.

[Pete_]

As a Northern Irish person, I can't believe the D U fucking P are the ones holding the powerstrings for probably the most important issue in European politics for severalgenerations. It's insanity.

Irrespective of their political positions on any other matter, their desire to see Northern Ireland not carved off or treated differently from the rest of the UK has been impeccable and they've acted with the same level of cohesion as Barnier et al.

Its actually quite fortunate that they are in a position of influence as otherwise Theresa May could have potentially ignored the position of NI entirely.

I think its deeply fortuitous that it happened to be the DUP in particular as kingmaker, rather than any other minor party just at the most important time for Northern Ireland constitutionally since the Good Friday agreement in the late 90s.

I guess that's speaking from the position of a unionist however. I suppose if you wanted a united ireland (at least regulatorily) then you'd be annoyed the DUP are there stopping May from sacrificing the North on the altar of Brexit.

And that's a valid political position, but it's based on a 'unionism above all else' ideology which does not represent the views of most people in NI. The NI business community in particular have been very clear that May's deal was what would be the best option for NI economically (this was at a time when it looked like it was May's deal or no-deal) and that a no-deal scenario would leave us pretty much screwed. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-deal

[Swervin_Mervin]

Fvcking laughable.

None of the tabled options have been supported

No No Deal
No Norway+
No customs union
No revoking article 50
No 2nd ref

[Pete_]

Customs union was close, but no cigar.

[Zonda_]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Big abstentions on EFTA and Norway+ presumably by the Cons.

Now if May's deal finally dies a death it would be interesting to see the results if run again. Looking at the numbers a Norway+ might yet become the preferred way forward

[Swervin_Mervin]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

It really isn't

[GG.]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

It really isn't

That (revocation) was also voted against by 293 to 184, so not even close to passing the house.

Blackford and Soubry are clearly a bit thick. They keep parroting that people's vote got the most votes. Well, yes they did - but they also got people voting against that option which is why it lost by 27 votes to Ken Clarkes 8 on the customs union.

[Zonda_]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

It really isn't

So what do you think is sensible?

[Swervin_Mervin]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

It really isn't

So what do you think is sensible?

Kill May's deal for good. That will provide some focus. Then, imo, Norway+ for me.

Try to bring both sides together with a compromise and let the dust settle and wounds start to heal.

[Pete_]

Only sensible thing is to call it off now.

It really isn't

So what do you think is sensible?

Hold the same vote again, but using a single-transferable-vote system to find the most favoured option.

May leads a minority government for goodness sake so having a majority shouldn't be the be all and end all.

[Simon]

This seems appropriate

[JonMad]

What's the DUP's position on No Deal? Given they are anti May's Deal and no other option has any favour (including Revoke)?

[JonMad]

[Richard]

I must say, it seems Brexit it going brilliantly

We should probably make parliament vote on it a few more times until May gets the result she wants.

What definitely should not happen though, is some sort of referendum vote by the people, asking us if we still like the idea 2 years later. That should obviously not happen, as it would be I democratic.

[GG.]

A referendum on what? All options have been rejected by parliament. Mays WA, revoke (essentially the remain option that would be on your ballot paper), customs union, etc.

Do we let the country do 8 indicative votes?

Best option now really (but without precedent) is to continually remove the least popular options (by size of loss) and force MPs to vote again and again on the remainder until they have a winner, irrespective of whether that commands only a minority of the house.

Job jobbed.

[Jobbo]

Best option now is to revoke, since there's no positive majority in favour of anything. Keeping the status quo could be the answer.

[Richard]

Here comes 2000 words from GG