Bye bye Theresa

[Zonda_]

Reports growing that the cabinet want May out. Lead by Chris Grayling so we can all expect the next PM to be Theresa May.

Reports I've read say Gove poised to take over, frying pan and fire spring to mind...

[IanF]

Reports growing that the cabinet want May out. Lead by Chris Grayling so we can all expect the next PM to be Theresa May.

Reports I've read say Gove poised to take over, frying pan and fire spring to mind...

Gove!? Oh, that’s better then...

[Simon]

[Broccers]

Who counted the million people I would like to know.

No deal really is the way forward to save face.

[NotoriousREV]

Who counted the million people I would like to know.

No deal really is the way forward to save face.

Yeah, let’s fuck the country up the arse for a generation to save face because we’re not already a massive embarrassment.

[DeskJockey]

Whose face needs saving?

[NotoriousREV]

Whose face needs saving?

Who has any face left to save?

[DeskJockey]

Whose face needs saving?

Who has any face left to save?

Indeed.

[GG.]

If the terms of that extension were declined (and no statutory instrument is passed to extend the exit date under the UK statute repealing the ECA 1972) then there is an argument that we're still in as EU law trumps UK law and under international law we're still an EU member but there is no basis for enforcing EU law in the UK (so essentially, a mess).

There looks also to be a counter argument that the acceptance of any extension needs to be valid in accordance with UK law, i.e. if MPs reject then no matter that the fact the EU has offered an extension, we're out. I personally prefer (from a legal certainty point) the latter position - that the MPs vote definitively to accept/decline - as it avoids the conflict of laws issue noted above. It would also avoid the odd and undesirable situation where in theory May could keep requesting extension and the EU giving them, without the consent of parliament - which you would think cannot be right.

Interesting article from Martin Howe QC. Essentially his interpretation accords with the above, i.e. its a mess and TM should have had a vote in the house to instruct her to request an extension:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ommitting/

[ste]

Rev and Simon, genuinely interesting stuff about testing. :thumb:

[NotoriousREV]

Rev and Simon, genuinely interesting stuff about testing. :thumb:

I could've wanged on for hours about that. I didn't even get started on how user behaviour changes as your site slows down, hastening its failure (hitting refresh or clicking search over and over again) that load testing doesn't replicate thus giving you a false sense of security, or my dissertation on why, on our site, users who see 1 or 2 search errors convert better than those who see no errors, but only for popular searches.

Anyway, I promised to shut up

[ste]

It's interesting. 100% on the once it slows load goes up exponentionally as people hit refresh. We rcently exposed a non-performant query on a service we connect to that also made a seperate post request each time a user hit refresh. It made a large national service fall over.

We're an Akamia customer BTW. Rate them compared to other tools I've had experience of.

[NotoriousREV]

All joking aside, they're pretty much best in class. I have a lot of respect for them, but I'm not a customer

Load testing definitely has its place, but it's just a tool like any other.

[ste]

Sure. We don't use them for load testing either.

[GG.]

Who counted the million people I would like to know.

Apparently a “Ms. D Abbott” whoever that is.

Turns out it was a whopping 250% overstated fib as everybody already guessed from previous made up numbers circulated by People’s Vote organisers for marches earlier in 2019 and last year.

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

[NotoriousREV]

Who counted the million people I would like to know.

Apparently a “Ms. D Abbott” whoever that is.

Turns out it was a whopping 250% overstated fib as everybody already guessed from previous made up numbers circulated by People’s Vote organisers for marches earlier in 2019 and last year.

https://fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

More bullshit. The higher figures have come “unofficially” from the emergency services, who don’t give an official figure because they don’t want to be caught up in a political argument. The methodology used by Full Fact in this case is very questionable as it was not a static crowd eg football stadium.

[Simon]

Rev and Simon, genuinely interesting stuff about testing. :thumb:

I could've wanged on for hours about that. I didn't even get started on how user behaviour changes as your site slows down, hastening its failure (hitting refresh or clicking search over and over again) that load testing doesn't replicate thus giving you a false sense of security, or my dissertation on why, on our site, users who see 1 or 2 search errors convert better than those who see no errors, but only for popular searches.

Anyway, I promised to shut up

This is interesting and valuable. I'm gonna take these comments back to our development team to see if we can feed this behaviour back into the tool (if it isn't there already - I'm just a novice at this stage).

We certainly know and record rage clicks (trying to do a first interaction with a page before a it's ready to do interactions) in our RUM tool, and we know how badly rage clicks can contribute to abandonment or a drop in conversions (or whatever key business metric you're measuring).

Anyway, as a conservative (small c) voter I feel like I've lost all hope with the current crowd and the ERG/hard Brexit nutcases that seem intent on driving us to the hardest possible Brexit. Where doth redemption lie?

[Swervin_Mervin]

Anyway, as a conservative (small c) voter I feel like I've lost all hope with the current crowd and the ERG/hard Brexit nutcases that seem intent on driving us to the hardest possible Brexit. Where doth redemption lie?

AFAIA it's actually only a fairly small number of ERG that want a no-deal. I'm not convinced they're railroading the party any more than any other imo. They're just the most saleable when it comes to the media, especially JRM.

They keep getting the blame for May's Deal not going through, but everyone forgets that the entire other side of the HoC hasn't voted for it either.

[Simon]

Yes, fair comment, but one of the indicative votes that May won't table will be a softer (Norwegian style) Brexit because she knows that any Brexit that's too soft will split the party, and for a party to split would need a decent number of people on one side of the divide.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Yes, fair comment, but one of the indicative votes that May won't table will be a softer (Norwegian style) Brexit because she knows that any Brexit that's too soft will split the party, and for a party to split would need a decent number of people on one side of the divide.

Well I hope she fvcks that idea right off - it would surely only be a small splinter rather than a split, with just a few hardline ERG members against it?

The EFTA solution has always been the one option that would most likely unite the majority of both sides of the vote. We were talking about it today in our divided office, and all agreed on that. We're also sure that if that had been tabled much earlier in this process we might not be so divided at present as a nation. Sadly I think that wedge has been hammered too far in now by May to ever fully heal that rift.