Bye bye Starmer

[dinny_g]

[Gavster]

it’s pretty difficult to target just kids for junk food though, unless you think that kids are doing the majority of the weekly shopping/cooking/ordering?

My understanding is that pester power is real and that kids often do have a big influences on their parent’s shopping decisions based around what they have seen and heard.

[Gavster]

One of the problems with food in the UK is that the prevailing Northern European belief is that food should be cheap and price has always been the main priority. Most people lie about this on surveys (called the attitude/behaviour gap) claiming it’s less important. Quality, provenance etc often comes as an afterthought for the majority.

When you go to southern Europe that dynamic flips, suddenly quality and provenance is most important and people would happily travel miles and pay €5 for a single tomato if it was a really, really good tomato. In the UK it’d be “rip off Britain €5 tomato shocker”

[Mito Man]

You can go to Wholefoods and pay £5 for a tomato. But it will still be a shit tomato. So yes, it is a rip off

[Swervin_Mervin]

The press won’t need to delve that deep on Burnham, he’s got a minefield of incompetence regarding the rape scandals.

Staffs Moorlands
GMP/Rochdale Grooming Gangs
Renaker

Expect to hear a lot more about these in the next few months

[Beany]

Again, and I cannot stress this enough, Labour have learned nothing from when parts of the party stitched up Corbyn, and are coin-flip odds from being politically worthless.

Imagine getting a large majority, and then wasting it on infighting between party factions - absolute gobshitery that will have the press skewering them.

Again.

The Greens could campaign on "you don't need to drive an EV to vote for us, you just need to agree that things could be better", dial back some of the more out there rhetoric about nuclear armament etc and I reckon they'd take a large proportion of the labour vote at a GE.

[V8Granite]

Going back to the main topic, is the Makerfield result the beginning of the end for Starmer?

I expect so, though i also expect the press to turn on the successor approx 3 milliseconds later. They probably have a nice list of scandals for us all to be shocked at with every late library book, that time he didn’t pay for a plastic bag at tesco and his wife’s sister getting caught shop lifting when she was 12…

(Cough)grooming gang scandal(cough)

Oh, I see I was already beaten to it

Dave!

[Zonda_]

The Greens could campaign on "you don't need to drive an EV to vote for us, you just need to agree that things could be better", dial back some of the more out there rhetoric about nuclear armament etc and I reckon they'd take a large proportion of the labour vote at a GE.

But they won’t because they don’t have anything else. Our next door neighbour is the local Green Party candidate and she can’t answer a single question on anything other than ‘green’ policies. If they were to magically get in tomorrow they’d do themselves untold damage as people would see they are completely unfit for government and it really is a waste voting for them..

[ZedLeg]

That’s funny because there’s a concerted online campaign to try and claim Polanski’s Greens have given up on the environment to focus on “alphabet soup wokism”

[Beany]

The irony is that the Greens seem to be moving to the middle of those positions - out of the extremes (as per Zondas example - ideology but no policy) and more towards mainstream stuff, and particularly towards plain language politics, and not gish galloping people etc.

They're also quite transparent about their funding, and the fact that members who donates £100k gets exactly the same single vote on policy as someone who donates £5, as opposed to the main parties who have £50k/head dinners that business leaders and oligarches go to, to definitely not influence policy, goodness no.

I've explained that to a few people and they've been surprised. If they get enough normal people as members (They had a big jump recently) then that would make their policy choices more mainstream by that nature, which makes them more appealing to voters.

I don't think they're an existential threat to Labour right now, but give it a few years of maturing via their membership growth, and they very well might be.

[ZedLeg]

They aren’t an existential threat to Labour, it’s good that people are starting to see that there is a party who will push for the things that Labour have forgotten about with their push right though

[Beany]

I think as much as anything, people are sick to the back teeth of fucking politicking - and Polanski on telly is good at cutting straight through that.

His responses to being called antisemitic were a lesson in how to casually deflect obvious shit-picking by the press, and Hannah Spencer has been pretty good at deflecting the staggering amounts of basic-bitch sexism aimed at her - like the accusations recently that she was wearing a £1500 Gucci blouse, when it was in fact a years old charity shop find.

The sort of utter bullshit that most politicians try to talk around, and she just released a video showing the label (that was very obviously not Gucci) and politely saying "Look at these sexist fucking weirdos, eh?"

I think that resonates with people as much as, if not better than, infinite, utterly unsustainable promises of lower tax - although that level of immature, santa-clause levels of fantasy land idiocy from the electorate is a different problem.

[ZedLeg]

The way people attacked her for suggesting that getting pissed at work is bad was gross.

[Beany]

Yup, well, that's normal now thanks to social media algorithms encouraging and directly promoting outrageous content, because if it got 8000 likes then it must be OK and 'everyone thinks it'

That 7800 of them were bots being run by some oligarch representing an orthodox christian sect in russia who has an axe to grind is neither here nor there to them, or the thousands of people who have been emboldened by it and are now being openly sexist themselves because 'everyone else is doing it'.

People are so very fucking stupid.

[ZedLeg]

The worst is that if you pitched a politician who learned a trade and ran their own successful business they would be all over it.

But she’s a green and a woman so that’s all they see.