Ferrari Luce Reveal

[Gavster]

I’m sure that would be amazing if your rear passengers don’t have heads and you want a 2027 car with styling cues completely ripped off from an old 2020 Ferrari Roma.

[Rich B]

I’m sure that would be amazing if your rear passengers don’t have heads and you want a 2027 car with styling cues completely ripped off from an old 2020 Ferrari Roma.

Instead, you have a 5 door, 5 seat, tall and fat saloon EV that looks like every other one but costs 10x more.

How progressive.

[Beany]

The AI doesn't know those details though, so what you gonna do?

[duncs500]

Sos if it's a repost...

[mik]

https://www.threads.com/@highoctanemind ... xpE&slof=1

[Gavster]

The AI creativity around the Luce is pretty damn slick to be fair. Although this is somewhat heretic.

[jamcg]

This made me chuckle

[jamcg]

[Rich B]

i saw that yesterday - great stuff Nissan!

Just goes to show how painfully ordinary the concept is. Just made shitter by being too big for our roads and costing 20x more.

[Ascender]

How much of the exterior design of EVs (variations on a bar of soap) is down to the aero requirements needed to make this thing that weighs so much but needs to get x number of miles from the batteries?

[nuttinnew]

All the ingredients are there but I can't quite put them together;

Ferrari EV launch suffers short circuit amidst cries of "Jony Ive - less input".

[jamcg]

I think the problem a lot of people have, is that it’s not the fastest, it’s not the slippiest, it’s not got the longest range and then to top it off it’s not the best looking. Even if ot is the best ev to drive ever (which it might well be) it doesn’t really look like it should be. An ionic 5N looks more sporting than this, it just looks quite normal


The obvious comparisons to Tesla don’t make it sound favourable either, and ultimately Ferrari aren’t trying to poach Lamborghini customers with this car, it’s Tesla buyers.

From this article just looking from a numbers perspective:

“In light of the harsh criticism, even Ive appeared to blame the result on aerodynamics. However, despite the rounded shape, the Luce is far from setting records in this area. With a drag coefficient (Cd) of 0.254, it sits well behind other EVs on the market, including the now-defunct Tesla Model X (Cd=0.24), basically a people carrier. No matter how much Marchionne hated it back in the day, the Model S is light-years away, with a drag coefficient of 0.208. And don't get me started on performance. The same Tesla Model S, which cost only a fraction of the price even as a Signature Edition model, is faster to 60 mph (1.99 vs 2.4 seconds) and to 124 mph (6.2 vs 6.8 seconds). It can also go 368 miles on a charge versus 280 miles for the Luce, despite having a smaller battery pack (100 kWh vs 122 kWh).”

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/luce ... 70539.html

[Mito Man]

Pretty much this for me, it is technically inferior to a 10+ year old Tesla chassis. It’s not moving the game on in any way aside from being a Ferrari EV. Maybe this thing will lap the Nurburgring faster than a Taycan Turbo S but I doubt that. Maybe it will be more comfortable than a Range Rover EV but again I doubt that. The awkward looks put aerodynamics first but the aerodynamics are nothing special. With that kind of budget you could have a sleek car with active aero that does all sorts of things so that it’s both slippery when you want range and looks good.

For me it’s like those silly overpriced Balenciaga fashion items. Brands reach a level where they can put any price on something just because they can, and the Luce feels that way.

[jamcg]

I think the only ev that’s ever wowed me is the Mercedes eqxx concept, higher density lower weight battery, active aero and minimal drag coefficient

[Mito Man]

Yes but Mercedes didn’t come through on the production car unfortunately, they said it would basically be the CLA EV but that’s just another mediocre EV blob.

[jamcg]

Yes but Mercedes didn’t come through on the production car unfortunately, they said it would basically be the CLA EV but that’s just another mediocre EV blob.

My point was that no one dares to do something radical with ev’s other than concept cars. However if you want to see generic ev blob look for the luce in one colour. Without the black bits it’s horrendous

[Beany]

Honestly in terms of EV innovations, the other end of the market (IE sub £25k stuff) is way more interesting. There's a lot more work that needs to go into making something weigh little enough that a small battery can get decent range, etc.

Super Duper Hyper SUVs For Crypto Twats just aren't remotely interesting because making a big fucking bloater shitbox with a fancy badge is easy.

Making a small Peugeot/Renautl/Citroen/etc EV that's actually broadly good (decent build quality, good range, fast charging, light enough, etc) is way, waaay harder and worth far more attention.

[Simon]

Yes but Mercedes didn’t come through on the production car unfortunately, they said it would basically be the CLA EV but that’s just another mediocre EV blob.

Disagree - in terms of CD, range etc the CLA takes a lot from the EQxx. The CLA has actually moved the game on for EVs, the Luce has not.

[RobYob]

How much of the exterior design of EVs (variations on a bar of soap) is down to the aero requirements needed to make this thing that weighs so much but needs to get x number of miles from the batteries?

Mass is definitely a far lower consideration because you can recover some of that energy with regen and the energy lost to road friction is roughly linear with speed whereas energy lost to aero is speed squared. It's been a while but I think the rule of thumb was around 80kmh aero drag is the same as road drag and above that dominates.