Bye bye Starmer

[Jobbo]

Reform may win the by-election and the mayoral election, so it’s a high risk strategy for Burnham.

His campaigning is going to be tacitly canvassing a vote for the new Labour leader, not just for him to be Makerfield’s MP. I say tacit because I assume he won’t be explicit about it - that might damage his chances of winning the by-election.

[Broccers]

Andy Burnham losing to Reform will just be amazing

[Rich B]

Not sure i’ve seen it written anywhere, does he need to step down as Mayor to run for MP? or does he only step down if successful?

[Simon]

And realistically do Burnham, Streeting or Rayner appear more electable than Starmer? The answer is no.

Starmer may have less charisma than a YouTube streamer specialising in paint mixing, but I'm sorry, boring is what we need right now. Boring, stable and with a long term vision that doesn't get u-turned at every minute. Sack off Reeves and put someone in who actually understands economic fundamentals and just get on with it.

Also bin off Digital ID and overhaul the OSA.

[Rich B]

Reform may win the by-election and the mayoral election, so it’s a high risk strategy for Burnham.

Looking into this, it doesn’t seem there’s any law that says he needs to resign as Mayor to run to be an MP (Boris did the same), so presumably he can stand without triggering a mayoral election unless he wins (unless the labour party rules say different?)

[Beany]

There really should be. If I voted for someone, I don't expect them to fuck it off when an opportunity for a better pension and to stick it in the eye of their party comes up. That's rather absurd.

[Jobbo]

Reform may win the by-election and the mayoral election, so it’s a high risk strategy for Burnham.

Looking into this, it doesn’t seem there’s any law that says he needs to resign as Mayor to run to be an MP (Boris did the same), so presumably he can stand without triggering a mayoral election unless he wins (unless the labour party rules say different?)

I did read when he wanted to stand for Gorton & Denton that he’d have to resign the mayor role to be on the ballot paper. I’m not sure that is in fact true and it obvious wasn’t tested previously because he wasn’t allowed to stand. It ought to be the case though; if you’re elected to a public role like that it shouldn’t be open to you to stand for another role during the original role’s term.

[MikeHunt]

There really should be. If I voted for someone, I don't expect them to fuck it off when an opportunity for a better pension and to stick it in the eye of their party comes up. That's rather absurd.

You have better expectations of politicians than I do

[Rich B]

Reform may win the by-election and the mayoral election, so it’s a high risk strategy for Burnham.

Looking into this, it doesn’t seem there’s any law that says he needs to resign as Mayor to run to be an MP (Boris did the same), so presumably he can stand without triggering a mayoral election unless he wins (unless the labour party rules say different?)

I did read when he wanted to stand for Gorton & Denton that he’d have to resign the mayor role to be on the ballot paper. I’m not sure that is in fact true and it obvious wasn’t tested previously because he wasn’t allowed to stand. It ought to be the case though; if you’re elected to a public role like that it shouldn’t be open to you to stand for another role during the original role’s term.

I think it’s all change since the G&D election, it’s pretty unlikely the NEC will follow the same rules and block the move again. As i understand, it’s more party rules rather than law.

[V8Granite]

I still find it strange that you can chop or change roles within government.

It's like me being a chief draughtsman and then deciding to be the accountant.

Dave!

[Mito Man]

I still find it strange that you can chop or change roles within government.

It's like me being a chief draughtsman and then deciding to be the accountant.

Dave!

I mentioned this donkeys years ago and someone said it’s because the role is more about managing other people to do the role rather than having specialist knowledge of the role itself. True to an extent but it doesn’t appear to be working.

One of the big contributing factors to China growing rapidly was that their ministers had to have experience in the roles they were representing.

I think it’s frankly absurd that we have a head of MOD that has never served or the Secretary of State for healthcare that never even held a proper job…

[dinny_g]

I had an example of that in my early career.

Employer - "Oh look, under this contract, we can charge more per day for Project Managers than we can for Business Analysts - Congratulations, you're now a Project Manager

Me - "Erm... thanks. Will there be any change to my compensation package aligned to this ?

Employer -

[Gavster]

I still find it strange that you can chop or change roles within government.

It's like me being a chief draughtsman and then deciding to be the accountant.

Dave!

I mentioned this donkeys years ago and someone said it’s because the role is more about managing other people to do the role rather than having specialist knowledge of the role itself. True to an extent but it doesn’t appear to be working.

One of the big contributing factors to China growing rapidly was that their ministers had to have experience in the roles they were representing.

I think it’s frankly absurd that we have a head of MOD that has never served or the Secretary of State for healthcare that never even held a proper job…

Well that is true about the minister’s role to an extent, however they are very much the ones calling the shots over policies, which should be based on whatever the civil servants have briefed them on. However a minster with subject expertise is the dream. It takes them months or years to fully get up to speed on an area of policy that’s complex.

Sadly the ministerial decisions are rarely based on the best evidence before them. As one friend in DEFRA once said to me “we spend weeks developing a comprehensive briefing on a given subject then the minister chucks it in the bin and bases their position on what they learned in GCSE geography”

[Broccers]

I'm amused at the left forum not actually being outraged by anything going on. Your economy is being trashed by these lacklustre grifters.

[John]

I get the impression that Starmer, or more likely his advisors, think that being seen to be tough on the "racist far right" will bring back the voters who have flocked to the Greens

The man is a clueless idiot

[Rich B]

summed up pretty well…

[Jobbo]

I'm amused at the left forum not actually being outraged by anything going on. Your economy is being trashed by these lacklustre grifters.

The economy was already given a kick in the balls by Truss and Kwarteng. Under Starmer we’ve had the best economic growth in the G7 this year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyprjddgj3o

Not sure ‘trashed’ is the right description. How’s the US economy doing? And reason why the U.K. would be any different under Farage?

[Broccers]

I'm amused at the left forum not actually being outraged by anything going on. Your economy is being trashed by these lacklustre grifters.

The economy was already given a kick in the balls by Truss and Kwarteng. Under Starmer we’ve had the best economic growth in the G7 this year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyprjddgj3o

Not sure ‘trashed’ is the right description. How’s the US economy doing? And reason why the U.K. would be any different under Farage?

You own a business. Your taxes are up. What have they done for you?

[Jimexpl]

I'm amused at the left forum not actually being outraged by anything going on. Your economy is being trashed by these lacklustre grifters.

The economy was already given a kick in the balls by Truss and Kwarteng. Under Starmer we’ve had the best economic growth in the G7 this year: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyprjddgj3o

Not sure ‘trashed’ is the right description. How’s the US economy doing? And reason why the U.K. would be any different under Farage?

You own a business. Your taxes are up. What have they done for you?

While I am deeply unimpressed about having to pay vat on school fees (and the consequential risk to my kids school, and redundancies of great teachers, like my son's teacher - who wouldn't have wanted a teacher when they were at primary school who had a former career as a movie illustrator drawing things like Space Jam, Who Framed Roger Rabbit and Ninja Turtles!?), Starmer and labour is clearly the least shit option for a stable UK economy.

Maybe one day we will begin paying our MPs properly, not allowing them to moonlight on the side, bringin in a decent choice of candidates, and have a propulation that understand how the media works....

[Gavster]

The idea that a constant stream of leadership challenges, a trend which the Tories seem to have brought to vogue, will do anything other than further destabilise our national politics is utterly mental.