Bye bye Starmer

[Rich B]

£5m undisclosed personal donations? pah, Starmer got given a pair of glasses.

[Broccers]

One could say his appointed chancellor is absolutely terrible at best. Anyone seen T56 bond prices recently?

[Simon]

What do we reckon tonight then?

[ZedLeg]

It’s not going well for them

[Gavster]

Reform really are trouncing everyone again

[IanF]

Still early with only 1/3 of English council’s figures in and the North was always projected to be Reforms biggest gains, but the NEV suggests Reform clearly ahead, Conservatives second, Labour, LD and Greens all vying for third… so answers clear: vote Conservative!

[dinny_g]

Never sure of what this means in reality.

Historically, doing well in local elections doesn't necessarily translate to general election results as folks are far more able to trust a Green or Independent councillor to fix pot holes and keep weekly bin collections than they are to run the NHS and represent us at NATO etc.

But these days, who the hell knows.

The biggest losers in this are going to be the Torys because they may feel they have to align with Reform in the next general to have any chance. Coalition at the very least

[ZedLeg]

I think the Scottish and Welsh results will be more interesting tbh.

Like, if Reform make gains up here it should ring alarm bells in general.

[dinny_g]

Very true Zed...

[Matty]

How much is purely protesting votes though? If people don't vote Tory or Labour, are they just defaulting to Reform?

Then add in the racists, the right wingers, plus the BBC front page being heavy on the immigrant crime recently doesn't suprise me that its leaning this way.

No local elections near me, but I don't know who I'd vote for even if it was offered.

[Mito Man]

Starmer’s response - that Banksy sculpture couldn’t have come at a better time.

[dinny_g]

A mate of mine recently said that in his eyes, on a the topic of Immigration, Labour and the Conservatives policies are "Not enough" but Reforms are "Too much"

But he's got the stage that he think "too much" is better than "not enough" so he's erring towards Reform.

I suspect much of "middle England" may be feeling the same

[ZedLeg]

Yeah, that’s fucked tbh.

Like, Labour should never be allowed to forget how they legitimised this rabid anti immigrant sentiment.

[Gavster]

Following on from @Matty I think that Reform are protest votes of a kind.

Reform are curious because it's easy to tar their supporters as racist or far-right and in many cases, I don't think that's correct, in fact that narrative dismisses how normal and middle-of-the-road many of their supporters are. I sometimes slip a bit of Reform slander into my videos as it always fires up the comments section however, a lot of the people defending reform are not nut jobs. They're just regular people who are disillusioned with the two-party system because they watched the conservatives roaylly fuck everything up, and now Labour keep dropping the ball. So the logical middle-England party to lean towards is Nige and his gang instead.

[ZedLeg]

There’s nothing logical about it though. Reform have nothing to offer the country except turning the place into a haven for oligarchs and grifters.

Unless you’re really into the idea of putting people in camps.

[Mito Man]

The psychological process is logical. People voted for X, things got worse so then they voted for Y but things got worse, so now they’re voting for Z.
The issues at heart run way deeper than immigration but somehow that’s what every person and party seemed to concentrate on. It’s hard to admit you’ve done wrong but it’s easier to place blame on someone else, that’s human nature.

[Marv]

The psychological process is logical. People voted for X, things got worse so then they voted for Y but things got worse, so now they’re voting for Z.
The issues at heart run way deeper than immigration but somehow that’s what every person and party seemed to concentrate on. It’s hard to admit you’ve done wrong but it’s easier to place blame on someone else, that’s human nature.

Z have hardly done a great job with the councils they recently won in by elections... hope they do a better job with the ones they have newly won...

If not, what letter in the alphabet comes after Z for misguided people to vote for?

[ZedLeg]

That would make sense except that X, Y and Z have all been pushing the same shite ideas to fix things

[Mito Man]

The psychological process is logical. People voted for X, things got worse so then they voted for Y but things got worse, so now they’re voting for Z.
The issues at heart run way deeper than immigration but somehow that’s what every person and party seemed to concentrate on. It’s hard to admit you’ve done wrong but it’s easier to place blame on someone else, that’s human nature.

Z have hardly done a great job with the councils they recently won in by elections... hope they do a better job with the ones they have newly won...

If not, what letter in the alphabet comes after Z for misguided people to vote for?

Enough time passes that people go back to X and the whole cycle repeats. But everything is a bit worse.

[Gavster]

There’s nothing logical about it though. Reform have nothing to offer the country except turning the place into a haven for oligarchs and grifters.

Unless you’re really into the idea of putting people in camps.

Okay, maybe logical was the wrong word, perhaps inevitable would be better