Porsche's finances

[mik]

Does the Taycan have the same woefully engineered motors that the Etron coupes have with regards to crap coolant seals?

I believe the same (type of) seals are used by all the manufacturers who have cooled motors. (VW group, Merc, Tesla etc).

[Mito Man]

Wouldn't touch them with a bargepole then!

[ShockDiamonds]

I really want to like the Taycan. Or at least the idea of it. Can’t quite get there in my head though. I swore blind I wouldn’t buy another Porsche and I probably won’t. They are so very good to drive though. Just wish they weren’t run by such a group of smug bastards.

[IanF]

Jesus Christ… there are other dealerships out there SD

[IanF]

I was surprised to see that globally Porsche had 3 times the sales of 911s vs Boxster/Cayman - confirms what Jobbo says really, they are the actual rarer items these days.

And certainly not unique - I posted that there were more 488 Pistas produced than stock 488s. People are willing to pay substantially more for what is perceived to be the more desirable product.. even if there is a demonstration of massively diminishing returns evident

[Jobbo]

Neither company car be unhappy about that - the 992 can’t be that much more expensive to make than the 718 but it is almost double the starting price. Back in the 90s the same would have been true about 986/996 - half the car was identical FFS - but I’m fairly sure many more people bought Boxsters than 911s. Does anyone have sales figures for that era?

[ShockDiamonds]

Jesus Christ… there are other dealerships out there SD

I’m referring to Porsche themselves, not the dealers. So the people in Reading and the VAG overlords.

[IanF]

Ouch!..

[GG.]

Not sure this is remarkable really - the RS was just a hyped bubble - was always going to sharply correct...

Speculators are now ditching which will accelerate the drop.

[Mito Man]

I imagine if you want to order a new one you still have to buy a Cayenne, Taycan, Macan and make love to the salesman’s wife?

[mik]

Good. The whole Porsche GT3/4 situation has been a (stealership supported) shit-show for years.

[Carlos]

Good. The whole Porsche GT3/4 situation has been a (stealership supported) shit-show for years.

Yep. My mate did 15k on one in 6 months and 800 miles.

[GG.]

make love to the salesman’s wife?

Think you have that the wrong way round…

[Jobbo]

Good. The whole Porsche GT3/4 situation has been a (stealership supported) shit-show for years.

Yep. My mate did 15k on one in 6 months and 800 miles.

£15k loss rather than £15k profit?

[Jobbo]

Instagram is the absolute worst place to put a video like this. I scrolled down slightly and it stopped - scrolled back and I couldn't resume from where I was.

List price is £192,600 before options. The Weissach pack at £29,600 which saves 15kg but at £2000/kilo I'd not order that if buying new. The only really useful options are probably the carbon ceramic brakes at about £8k , reversing camera at about £1k and the front axle lift at about £2.5k, so you're looking at just over £204k new RRP unless you waste money on decorative stuff. I'm sure the list price and options prices have increased a couple of times since 2023 too. That cheapest car at £199k is still basically at its new RRP. Wonder what they are changing hands for in the trade?

The problem with overs on a new car is there isn't limited supply... In 10 years this may seem like a really good time to have bought one

[Ascender]

I know we'd spoken about this before @Jobbo, but I'm not sure, given the price of all cars these days, if paying RRP for a GT3 in your own spec is a "sensible" thing to do or not if its going to be your final, never to be sold car that you hold on to for life. So not something to try and flip, but something which will hold some sort of decent value over your lifetime.

[Jobbo]

I don't think it's necessarily a 'sensible' thing to do - list price has gone up sufficiently that it's a risk, certainly. GT3s have depreciated before. A Touring with rear seats might be a new thing and therefore desirable, or it might be far too practical/family man to appeal to a GT3 buyer and therefore not have the same demand when it's 10yrs old.

I've already wavered to thinking that my ideal 911 would be a 992 Carrera S, and I don't like the look of the depreciation on a new one of those with a few options. I've seen a few with some spec on with ~£20k discounts from new RRP.

[GG.]

I don't think it's necessarily a 'sensible' thing to do - list price has gone up sufficiently that it's a risk, certainly. GT3s have depreciated before. A Touring with rear seats might be a new thing and therefore desirable, or it might be far too practical/family man to appeal to a GT3 buyer and therefore not have the same demand when it's 10yrs old.

I've already wavered to thinking that my ideal 911 would be a 992 Carrera S, and I don't like the look of the depreciation on a new one of those with a few options. I've seen a few with some spec on with ~£20k discounts from new RRP.

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/dea ... 1500008786

This is in my local dealer - looking at the spec its dropped a little over 20k in 4 months.

[Jobbo]

I don't think it's necessarily a 'sensible' thing to do - list price has gone up sufficiently that it's a risk, certainly. GT3s have depreciated before. A Touring with rear seats might be a new thing and therefore desirable, or it might be far too practical/family man to appeal to a GT3 buyer and therefore not have the same demand when it's 10yrs old.

I've already wavered to thinking that my ideal 911 would be a 992 Carrera S, and I don't like the look of the depreciation on a new one of those with a few options. I've seen a few with some spec on with ~£20k discounts from new RRP.

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/dea ... 1500008786

This is in my local dealer - looking at the spec its dropped a little over 20k in 4 months.

It's done nearly 10k miles since being registered about 4 months ago. Impressive. I don't want a GTS, though I am sad that the alcantara interior forces you to have one.

[Carlos]

Good. The whole Porsche GT3/4 situation has been a (stealership supported) shit-show for years.

Yep. My mate did 15k on one in 6 months and 800 miles.

£15k loss rather than £15k profit?

Loss. Seemed sensible money at circa list price when everyone was asking way over.