Bye Bye Rachel Reeves

[Swervin_Mervin]

They’re not spending £15bil though, or they wouldn’t be millionaires

Unless it’s under the mattress, their money is in circulation, and most people of wealth have successfully made their money, which means they’ve probably taken their businesses elsewhere too

Or… they’ve got it in their property and pension pots which they were going to spend over 30 years, whilst taking far more out from the NHS as OAPs and stagnating the housing market sitting in a big house.

I can't imagine many wealthy pensioners make use of the NHS as opposed to going private.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Pay per mile for EVs incoming
Fvck the treehuggers

How are they going to work that in terms of recording mileage?

[IanF]

About right

[Mito Man]

Pay per mile for EVs incoming
Fvck the treehuggers

How are they going to work that in terms of recording mileage?

Not a clue as it won’t be active tracking. Older stuff you have the MOT history but newer stuff no clue. I guess the worst outcome will be that clocking will become absolutely par for the course so everyone gets screwed.

[Rich B]

Unless it’s under the mattress, their money is in circulation, and most people of wealth have successfully made their money, which means they’ve probably taken their businesses elsewhere too

Or… they’ve got it in their property and pension pots which they were going to spend over 30 years, whilst taking far more out from the NHS as OAPs and stagnating the housing market sitting in a big house.

I can't imagine many wealthy pensioners make use of the NHS as opposed to going private.

Thats the point, the stats (from what’s been posted on this thread) are including people with a million DOLLARS of wealth, including houses and pension pots . Thats not particularly wealthy, in fact it’s just £40k over the average total retirement wealth for UK residents aged 65+.

15,000 of them heading to Spain a year isn’t much to worry about, but the media talk about it as if we’re losing 15,000 Jeff Bezos and all their businesses.

[integrale_evo]

It’s not just billionaires on the fiddle is it? No end of self employed tell you they only earn £15k a year or whatever yet have big houses and flashy new cars

I’ve no idea how that works, I’m just a simpleton with a regular paye monthly payslip.

[Simon]

Unless it’s under the mattress, their money is in circulation, and most people of wealth have successfully made their money, which means they’ve probably taken their businesses elsewhere too

Or… they’ve got it in their property and pension pots which they were going to spend over 30 years, whilst taking far more out from the NHS as OAPs and stagnating the housing market sitting in a big house.

I can't imagine many wealthy pensioners make use of the NHS as opposed to going private.

Disagree. Private insurance for the elderly is eye-wateringly expensive. Even if you've got a few quid I doubt your looking at BUPA or its ilk for most of your ailments.

Also, it gets a little tiresome to hear how people won't bemoan millionaires etc leaving these shores.

Here's a stat from this article that's worth reminding you of.



It's quite clear to see that the bottom 50% of earners pay less than 10% of all income tax paid. The top 10% of all earners paid 60% of all income tax paid. Frankly, if you want 'those with broadest shoulders to...' etc etc etc then you really want them sticking around, otherwise the burden WILL fall on everyone else more and more. Why don't people understand this?

[Swervin_Mervin]

Or… they’ve got it in their property and pension pots which they were going to spend over 30 years, whilst taking far more out from the NHS as OAPs and stagnating the housing market sitting in a big house.

I can't imagine many wealthy pensioners make use of the NHS as opposed to going private.

Disagree. Private insurance for the elderly is eye-wateringly expensive. Even if you've got a few quid I doubt your looking at BUPA or its ilk for most of your ailments.

Also, it gets a little tiresome to hear how people won't bemoan millionaires etc leaving these shores.

Fair enough. But the wealthier can typically expect to be healthier as well, so they're likely to be less of a drain on the NHS than less wealthy peers.

Totally agree on your point re: those leaving. It's also tiresome to hear the way people bang on about older people as though they're all wealthy bastards that have enjoyed a life of privilege and deliberately screwed over the younger generation, and fuck them in their big houses. I hear it a lot at work and have to point out every time that it's utter bollocks.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Pay per mile for EVs incoming
Fvck the treehuggers

How are they going to work that in terms of recording mileage?

Not a clue as it won’t be active tracking. Older stuff you have the MOT history but newer stuff no clue. I guess the worst outcome will be that clocking will become absolutely par for the course so everyone gets screwed.

Let's hope they don't rely on the MOT system. As someone with a mileage blip that can't be corrected, that was down to MOT operator error, the potential for fuck ups all over the place will be huge.

[integrale_evo]

Drive a 40 year old car which doesn’t get MOT’d

I expect they’ll just dump it on fuel duty for non electrics anyway.

[IanF]

The fuel duty apparently costs the average person £600, EV’s are modern (most cars have ota updates) so should have a means of sending info, and I gather this will cost £250 in the first year.. why they can’t just charge this as a VED I had no idea , but it’s better than adding a duty to your electric supply.

[mik]

why they can’t just charge this as a VED I had no idea

That. Although I guess this way encourages less use of your car.

All home chargers have to be connected to the internet, which gives the ability for providers to apply time-based restrictions to charging (or charging rates (speeds)), and presumably also allows them to upload info such as vehicle mileage. I guess you could prevent that info being shared if you only trickle-charge at <3kw, but thats not very practical.

[Mito Man]

Apparently they want you to estimate your mileage for the year and pay upfront. Then at the end of the year you submit your true mileage and pay more or get a refund.
3p per mile still far cheaper than public transport and you won’t get stabbed in your car…

[V8Granite]

why they can’t just charge this as a VED I had no idea

That. Although I guess this way encourages less use of your car.

All home chargers have to be connected to the internet, which gives the ability for providers to apply time-based restrictions to charging (or charging rates (speeds)), and presumably also allows them to upload info such as vehicle mileage. I guess you could prevent that info being shared if you only trickle-charge at <3kw, but thats not very practical.

The time based restrictions to charging are grid load and instability. This is why the Dutch had the Flip the Switch campaign as their grid is crap.

Renewables is the equivalent of 50 people cooking a meal at once and the only one in charge everyone hates for no reason.

Look at under and over voltage occurrences, in the last 10 years. They were talking about increasing the limits which is a terrible idea for electronics etc.

Dave!

[Swervin_Mervin]

why they can’t just charge this as a VED I had no idea

That. Although I guess this way encourages less use of your car.

All home chargers have to be connected to the internet, which gives the ability for providers to apply time-based restrictions to charging (or charging rates (speeds)), and presumably also allows them to upload info such as vehicle mileage. I guess you could prevent that info being shared if you only trickle-charge at <3kw, but thats not very practical.

Huh?

[mik]

Huh?

All home chargers have to comply with ze Electric Vehicle Charge Point Regulation (2021). This requires them to be smart, and connected.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulations ... rge-points

[Swervin_Mervin]

Huh?

All home chargers have to comply with ze Electric Vehicle Charge Point Regulation (2021). This requires them to be smart, and connected.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/regulations ... rge-points

Is this retroactive? i.e. if you have one that's not smart that predates those regs, does it need to be updated?

[mik]

Is this retroactive? i.e. if you have one that's not smart that predates those regs, does it need to be updated?

I don't know tbh. Our first charger install had to be connected the web (fitted early 2021)

(Aside - when I had issues and Zappi performed a warranty replacement on our charger I had to pay for an extra RCD to be fitted as this is a current requirement that wasn't in place for the initial install (where the RCD resident in the charger was considered sufficient)). So based on that - maybe its safe to assume that this reg (and subsequent updates) aren't retroactive?).

[V8Granite]

Are modern cars too clever where you couldn't just charge with a Commando socket as that takes 32 amps ?

I know you can get adaptors to physically fit but would a modern EV need to talk to a charger at all ?

You can set the charging kw in the car can't you ?

Dave!

[Mito Man]

You can just pull the SIM card and do the smart stuff off the car and the government can’t snoop.