Bye Bye Rachel Reeves

[ZedLeg]

A £45k salary definitely puts you in a better position than most people.

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[Alex88]

Not disputing the data, but against the backdrop of ever increasing cost of living, £45k really isn't that much. Especially if you're a single earner household. It gets burnt through very quickly indeed.

It's still breaking her own fiscal rules on not taxing working people anymore money.

And taking more money away from those earners will cause them to spend less to counter the reduction in income. This will surely result in less spent on the wider economy and contribute to our low growth.

[ZedLeg]

Starmer’s labour lying can’t be a surprise these days.

We should really be overhauling the tax system tbh. Get rid of that “60% trap” folk are always crying about and increase the personal allowance at the other end.

If you think £45k doesn’t go far these days try living on £25k (full time salary on the current min wage) .

[Alex88]

Yeah, the lying is just outrageous at this point and Reeves has made a fool of herself. The entire party is chaotic and completely lacking in direction.

The increasing tax on working people feels especially egregious as they harped on and on about not doing it.

I know what it's like - I'm one of three and grew up in a council house with a single parent on income support. It was tough!

[V8Granite]

Is there a list of benefits you start to lose out on at 50k, I think the child allowance you reduce till 60k and then you don't get any.

I wonder what the actual difference is between 40k and 60k in take home for a family of 4 when things like this are taken into account.

Dave!

[Alex88]

The current system is obviously unsustainable.

We have a shrinking full-time working base, but a massively increasing welfare state and a rapidly aging population. Growth is non existent and public services are creaking under the pressure.

I don't know what the answer is but it's obvious this cannot continue.

[Mito Man]

If only we had vast untapped natural resources lying under the ground somewhere we could tap into with a STATE OWNED COMPANY to extract resources and sell them to pay off the debt and reduce inflation.
If only.

[Alex88]

You mean, the same resources we essentially share with Norway, who does use it, and sells the energy to us while throwing the cash into their sovereign wealth fund?

[Mito Man]

Yep, we could also run a budget surplus, have barely any poverty, have everyone live a comfortable life once they retire, etc.
And not pay corrupt shit holes for the same resources we currently require but somehow it’s “net zero” when imported…

[Rich B]

Yeah, the lying is just outrageous

which lies do you mean?

[Alex88]

Ok, swap lies for incompetence. I'm sure there have been lies, but it's difficult to substantiate, unless you want to count Starmer's complete U-turn on his entire political viewpoint... And her upcoming budget will surely be featuring a broken pledges, which amount to lies, IMO.

The gifts scandal didn't paint them in a great light in terms of morality, nor did the Rayner debacle, or the current Chinese spy case, etc etc.

[Simon]

Is there a list of benefits you start to lose out on at 50k, I think the child allowance you reduce till 60k and then you don't get any.

I wonder what the actual difference is between 40k and 60k in take home for a family of 4 when things like this are taken into account.

Dave!

Child benefit taper now starts at 60k and is gone by 80k. Was increased a year or two back.

[Rich B]

So no lies.

an upcoming budget which hasn’t been announced and some gifts that were declared and all above board. Outrageous.

This is what gets on my tits about politics these days, the tory press shouts about how the labour arty are all lying and cheating, and people just parrot it on without actually thinking about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they do just say fuck it and load up the income tax, everyone accuses them of lying regardless of what they do so might as well raise some cash out of it and fix a few issues.

[Alex88]

Ok, they made pledges and said they had a fully costed plan and wouldn't increase tax. They didn't have a fully costed plan, blamed the Tories, and increased tax. So lies. They're also likely to come looking for more tax that will further break their own pledges. So potentially more lies. They dangled the carrot to win the election and immediately back tracked. Apparently the housebuilding target will be impossible to hit as well. More lies.

And you conveniently missed the point of the Chinese spy case. Gets on my tits when people are selective like that.

And here you go, a list of Labour's recent above board activities, brought to you by right wing press:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... government

He also said his party would lead with integrity and decency. I would argue they are failing to do this - therefore more lies. That enough for you? If anything, they have continued the Tories dismal record for public trust. So me or others saying labour are lying or cheating or acting immorally - that's literally because of their own activities, not your accusation of being indoctrinated by right wing press, which I do not read.

Whether you call it lying or misleading or whatever, they made specific promises and aren't keeping them. To many that's indistinguishable from lying.

[Jobbo]

If you think £45k doesn’t go far these days try living on £25k (full time salary on the current min wage) .

It’s actually only £22,200 for a full time job with a 35hr week (9-5 with an hour for lunch). However, you’re not expecting a school leaver to be able to buy a house or support a family on their first wage after leaving education. Earning twice the minimum wage doesn’t make you madly wealthy.

A couple each earning £40k will avoid tax rises, it sounds like, while a single earner on £45k will be caught. There’s a world of difference in their ability to afford housing.

[Rich B]

yep, the guardian is telling the news - of ministers making some mistakes in their paperwork and getting harsh punishments from the boss for it because the standards are far higher then before.

I think you’ve forgotten just how corrupt the previous governments were, cocking up and missing a letting licence (and then paying for it immediately) or getting bought a new pair of glasses is really not a big deal, yet it’s been stirred up as being the sleaze to end all sleazes.

Housing targets etc - no government anywhere ever completely hits its targets on anything, if they did - they’d be given shit for setting targets that are too low!

I went on holiday half way through the chinese spy thing so didn’t keep up when it was getting complicated, so feel free to explain the lies there.

[Jobbo]

I went on holiday half way through the chinese spy thing so didn’t keep up when it was getting complicated, so feel free to explain the lies there.

Basically the CPS ballsed up and tried to cover their own arses. Not sure why one government minister made a mistake in his statement (about which court a hearing had been in - pretty trivial) but Starmer was correct in his statements.

The CPS mistake was to try to meet the evidential test in a 1970s statute which had been superseded by a 2023 statute. They dropped the prosecution because they considered they didn’t meet the evidential standards under the older statute but in fact they almost certainly would have under the recent one - certainly sufficient to proceed to trial.

For complete clarity: the CPS is not part of the government and its decisions are not government decisions.

[V8Granite]

Is there a list of benefits you start to lose out on at 50k, I think the child allowance you reduce till 60k and then you don't get any.

I wonder what the actual difference is between 40k and 60k in take home for a family of 4 when things like this are taken into account.

Dave!

Child benefit taper now starts at 60k and is gone by 80k. Was increased a year or two back.

Aha, very sensible.

Gives single bread winners a chance.

Dave!