COP30

[jamcg]

So this is a meeting about climate change. And steps that can be taken to prevent the climate getting worse

So let’s cut tens of thousands of acres of Amazon rainforest down, build a 4 lane motorway, wall it off either side so wildlife and people living in the forest can’t cross it

While we’re at it let’s also do up the port for those famously clean burning cruise ships, and make the airport bigger for more definitely green airplanes to land


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9vy191rgn1o

[DeskJockey]

What a shit show approach.

[Gavster]

Even with the fact we have a growing population it's very hard to defend that kind of infrastructure development.

Also, it's in Belem, which reminded me of another Amazonian place in Peru, called Belen market, which is one of the spicier places I've been to. The kind of market where you're advised not to take anything (phone, credits cards etc) aside from a tiny bit of cash. It's a huge, meandering market on the banks of the Amazon selling everything and anything, including banned jungle meat like turtle and monkey. Also rumoured to be great for getting lots of other illegal stuff under the counter. And you can buy bottles of Ayuhausaca, or the leaves and roots to make your own too.

[Mito Man]

I remain of the opinion that the rush to net zero will harm the climate more than the price previous trajectory. It will all come out in the end when the graphs show no change despite countries being ‘net zero’

[ZedLeg]

It’s hardly been a rush has it, we’ve had credible evidence of the negative effects of man made climate change for at least 100 years.

The problem is that the systems we’ve built to run everything are fundamentally damaging and wasteful, with nothing to force change to those systems, we’re stuck chipping at the edges.

[dinny_g]

The problem is that the systems we’ve built to run everything are fundamentally damaging and wasteful, with nothing to force change to those systems, we’re stuck chipping at the edges.

And it's a Whole World, All Humanity problem but we have no all encompassing solutions. Everything that's proposed looks to retain the status quo with no solutions (as far as I can see) that allow developed countries to remain developed but allow developing countries to grow etc.

[ZedLeg]

No one wants to spend the money where it matters. Help developing countries be less reliant on fossil fuels? No, that’s foreign aid, we need that money for people at home. They don’t get the money either though.

[dinny_g]

It's hard to see a solution without the US, Russia, China, UK, Germany, France, Canada, India, South Africa et all coming to a consensus on a whole world approach and them committing to bringing everyone else on for the ride.

And without that, its far to easy for people to say "why should I give up my petrol car or my foreign holiday flights while China are burning a gazillion tonnes of coal a day" etc.

I'll be dead and gone but I do genuinely worry for my son and any potential kids he may have...

[ZedLeg]

It’s very frustrating but entirely on brand for a society that made “virtue signalling” an insult.