Harry’s Garage

[Alex88]

I still can't see how the UK will transition to full EV in just 10 years time. Doesn't feel like we're that much better prepared today than we were 5 years ago. I see a few more chargers around, but nothing near the amount required.

I wonder if the government will have the courage to kill the EV only transition, and allow net-zero fuels/E-fuels to become part of the strategy?

The car manufacturers will surely be putting them under pressure as sales continue to slow.

[jamcg]

The thing I’ve seen from the outside of not owning an electric car- out and about every charger is different, and I’ve seen more than a couple of people looking at them confused- these are people who can barely use a smartphone to send a text message, and I guess using a new brand of charger involves creating an account and hoping it talks to the car and works?

Can anyone with ev experience add to this? Are these just tech illiterate people or is it this complicated?

[Alex88]

Yeah, I've noticed that too!

And people with on street parking still have no idea what the plan is. A couple of years ago, Central Beds Council were talking about cutting a channel in the pavement outside your house so you could run a cable through it. Still not seen any, but I have seen cables outside people's windows / hanging over fences to get to the car

Not sure what you're going to do if you live in a flat and don't have allocated parking.

Not saying it can't work, but EV's aren't there yet in terms of charging speed and convenience, and the infrastructure is decades behind.

[V8Granite]

We need more supply aswell, not just renewables as the day the wind doesn’t blow everyone will be spitting feathers.

Base load must be a reliable and quick to react.

There will be a lot of load throttling in our future.

Dave!

[tim]

The thing I’ve seen from the outside of not owning an electric car- out and about every charger is different, and I’ve seen more than a couple of people looking at them confused

I've just spent 2 hours sitting in a cafe watching multiple people fail to operate a glass door that had PUSH and PULL written on either side. So we've no chance of becoming all electric society anytime soon based on all of the above.

[V8Granite]

The thing I’ve seen from the outside of not owning an electric car- out and about every charger is different, and I’ve seen more than a couple of people looking at them confused

I've just spent 2 hours sitting in a cafe watching multiple people fail to operate a glass door that had PUSH and PULL written on either side. So we've no chance of becoming all electric society anytime soon based on all of the above.

Maybe they were drunk ?

True story, I was at Linekars Bar in Tenerife, 1999 so it was fine dining, apple schnapps, yards of ale and nibbles. I’d just won a drinking competition against “The Fish” so when standing to have my Polaroid taken and put on the wall I was on an adrenaline comedown.
I was about to open the beer tap so ventured through the ballroom (drink soaked dance floor) and to the men’s bathroom where I unleashed about 6 units of alcohol. Upon leaving I threw the man some persetas to fog me in some Jean Paul Gautier Le Male as this masked the teenage desperation and as he said, guaranteed me some punani.
I went to the outdoor area and as I got to the doors a group of linekars patrons raised there hands at the sight of this drinking legend. As I went to pull open the door though it was stuck fast, keen to see my fans I pushed, damn door, they must of locked it, to play a cruel game, the bastards!! They stood there laughing, watching the downfall of this “absolute legend”
Not to be laughed at I took a few steps back, dropped the shoulder like an inebriated Will Carling and charged.

Luckily when the pair of SLIDING DOORS landed the glass didn’t break, I stayed on my feet and my final image is of my cheering fans as I ran like the wind, Ben Sherman shirt waving in the breeze like a Roman chariot racer.

So I put it to you Tim, doors can be hard if you’re drunk.

Dave!

[mik]

I've just spent 2 hours sitting in a cafe watching multiple people fail to operate a glass door that had PUSH and PULL written on either side.

[Peterlplp]

I've just spent 2 hours sitting in a cafe watching multiple people fail to operate a glass door that had PUSH and PULL written on either side.

That's a lack of commitment.

[IanF]

[Ascender]

16mpg average

[Jobbo]

I’m glad he reviewed the GTS. I don’t want that hybrid guff and he’s reinforced that; it’s unnecessary. Just adds complication for no benefit other than a few more hp.

[V8Granite]

Also with that electrified turbo it seems to be losing the engines character.

Apart from people flooring an old transit diesel in top gear at idle, does anyone not enjoy that short period between no boost and boost, the little quick building shove ?

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

What’s the difference between an electrically driven turbine and a belt driven one?

Also excusing boost lag has to be peak calling flaws “character”

[V8Granite]

That’s exhaust driven aswell as electrically, so it’s like a normal turbo that’s able to spoil up on throttle position and not needing to wait for the exhaust gas to grab hold of the impellar wheel and make boost.

It’s not like a Big recharger or other belt driven turbo style compressors.

Dave!

[V8Granite]

What’s the difference between an electrically driven turbine and a belt driven one?

Also excusing boost lag has to be peak calling flaws “character”

Without these characters, we have electric motors, which are shit.

Dave!

[mik]

does anyone not enjoy that short period between no boost and boost, the little quick building shove ?

I'd rather have immediate response tbh. Which is where superchargers win massively over turbos for me. Pete RevsRUs 600LT takes a deep breath when you floor it, before it thumps you down the road - no argument with the level of thrust, but it made it trickier to pilot - it was probably the only element I didn't really love (although I would have preferred manuel obvs).

So of the 911:

1. Why didn't they un-twist that rear drivers side seatbelt?
2. If you'd suggested to me that a turbo could harvest sufficient power to effectively regen the battery I'd have scoffed at you. I guess a turbo harvesting a little for much of the time provides similar performance to "conventional" drivetrain regen harvesting a lot, but less frequently. I couldn't work out if Harry was correct suggesting that max regen occured at full throttle or if it actually occured when off-throttle? I'll need to hunt down another video I guess.
3. 1700kg.
4. Price = £ouch!
5. I missed Harry commenting on the fuel efficiency, but saw Mike's 16mpg comment below. Pretty awful if that is correct.

[Jobbo]

What’s the difference between an electrically driven turbine and a belt driven one?

A belt driven one is a supercharger, and runs at a speed which is directly proportional to the revs. A turbo is entirely independent of the revs. An electric one is also independent of revs so is more correctly a turbocharger - particularly here where it isn't just driven by the motor, it's just a helper when there's less exhaust gas flow. A bit like an electric anti-lag system.

Seems a lot of complication to me; the 992.1 with its twin turbo 3.0 does not feel laggy at all.

[ZedLeg]

I was being a bit facetious Jobbo

iirc manufacturers preferred turbos to superchargers due to packaging and efficiency. If they can improve that again with a bit of electric help then it’s good?

I remember reading that BMW were working on adding an electric assist to their tt straight six but I don’t know if it ever made production.

I think some folk see electric and car together and lose their sense of perspective tbh.

[Jobbo]

My Audi has two turbos, one being an electric compressor and one being a normal turbo, so it's basically a more primitive version of the new GTS setup. And it works, but it works no better than a twin turbo set up with different sized turbos except that it's more efficient. The Porsche version doesn't seem to be more efficient. It does add a lot of things which look like potential issues out of warranty for very little, if any, benefit.

I really don't think electricity is the issue here. It's the fact that Porsche haven't really used it the right way (to improve efficiency overall) and it's not obvious why.

Harking back to Harry's R5 video a couple of weeks ago and me spotting a Honda E on Saturday afternoon, it is odd that I trust an electric Renault to be reliable more than I trust an electric Honda

[ZedLeg]

Yeah, I’m not saying Porsche have got it right but the principle of the technology is sound.

I don’t know much about the R5 but I’d assumed from the way they’ve been pumping out EVs recently they were just buying the tech from China.