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There's having an opinion which a lot of other MPs also had and said more eloquently and then there's blurting out an idiotic comment like "I urge people to boycott P&O" right as there's an investment summit about to take place.
Mind you, seems she has form for having really poor judgment.
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Again, why?

P&O employed shitty and possibly illegal business practices to fire 800 people and cut costs. What does a Labour government gain from being connected to them?
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They gain not having the prospect of having to bail out an entire ferry company and losing further investment. Labour implemented new laws to prevent the same thing rehappening. As far as everyone was concerned it was a done deal and over so pointless bringing it up again. Everything to lose and nothing to gain type situation.
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Until they do it again or decide that investment isn’t worth it.

Selling out the people who voted for you for crumbs off of business’s table isn’t a winning policy imo.
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Amusing that's it's ok if you're a labour front bencher to lie but that's because it's not as bad as some other liars. It's just as bad
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Broccers wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:44 am No view on Louise convicted fraudster? Rachel next? Apparently lying isn't allowed.
No views? She resigned straight away before it became a scandal. Perhaps other politicians could learn something rather than trying to hang onto their jobs for a couple of weeks then going anyway, after dragging their party through the mud.
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:25 pm
Broccers wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 7:44 am No view on Louise convicted fraudster? Rachel next? Apparently lying isn't allowed.
No views? She resigned straight away before it became a scandal. Perhaps other politicians could learn something rather than trying to hang onto their jobs for a couple of weeks then going anyway, after dragging their party through the mud.
Nope she was stabbed in the back by her own party who leaked it to the opposition. That's your good old labour
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She resigned immediately. No faffing, no blaming someone else, no trying to excuse it.

How about your party of choice?
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Jobbo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:50 pm She resigned immediately. No faffing, no blaming someone else, no trying to excuse it.

How about your party of choice?
I don't vote conservative. What's your point, lad?
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Well you are the exact person i picture when someone mentions a reform voter.
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Broccers wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2024 5:46 pm
Jobbo wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:50 pm She resigned immediately. No faffing, no blaming someone else, no trying to excuse it.

How about your party of choice?
I don't vote conservative. What's your point, lad?
I didn’t specify but it’s obvious you’re a Farage supporter. Reform party members seem pretty bad at resigning when they’ve done something wrong. And that’s despite only ever having a handful of MPs 😂

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No no no. The Reform lot seem like a *lovely* bunch. Here's a (not comprehensive) list of Reform candidates being lovely.
Raymond Saint – Basingstoke

Reform dropped Saint as a candidate this week after the Guardian revealed that he had been on a list of members of the British National party. The party withdrew its support and accused Saint of failing to declare his BNP membership.

Grant StClair-Armstrong – North West Essex

Reform UK’s parliamentary candidate in the same constituency as Kemi Badenoch resigned from the party after it emerged he previously urged people to vote for the BNP. StClair-Armstrong posted on one of his websites ‘I could weep now, every time I pick up a British newspaper and read the latest about the state of the UK. No doubt, Enoch Powell would be doing the same if he was alive. My solution … vote BNP!’

Ben Aston – Bournemouth West

In October Aston wrote on Twitter/X that Jews are ‘agitating’ to import ‘third-world Muslims’ into Britain and said the government was deliberately ‘injecting’ Britain with African men.

Ian Gribbin – Bexhill and Battle

Apologised earlier this month for claiming that Britain would be ‘far better’ if it had ‘taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality’ instead of fighting the Nazis in World War Two. He also wrote online that women were the ‘sponging gender’ and should be ‘deprived of health care’.

Jo Hart – Aberdeenshire North and Moray East

Hart reportedly shared a post on social media over the Platinum Jubilee bank holiday weekend, branding the Royal family ‘benefit scroungers’ and calling for the monarchy to be abolished. The Daily Mail reported that she shared the comment but did not write them herself, with the emotive message included the phrases ‘fuck the royals’ and ‘make Lizzy the last’.

Jack Aaron – Welwyn Hatfield

Aaron, who is standing against the defence secretary, Grant Shapps, tweeted in 2022 that Hitler ‘was basically incoherent in his writing and rationale’ but was ‘brilliant’ at using specific personality traits ‘to inspire people into action’. In other comments he called Syrian dictator President Assad ‘gentle by nature’ and President Putin’s use of force in Ukraine was ‘legitimate’.

He told The Times: ‘Yes, Hitler was as brilliant as he was utter evil. How is that controversial to say, given that he was able to turn the Germans to such destructive acts, including killing many members of my own family?’

Julian Malins – Salisbury

At a hustings this week, Malins was booed for praising the Russian president, saying ‘I have actually met Putin and had a 10-minute chat with him and he seemed very good. He is not the Austrian gentleman with a moustache come alive again.’

Lee Bunker – Exeter

An account in the name of Bunker asked in 2018 when they would ‘be deporting Diane Abbott’. The tweet, deleted after it was flagged by the BBC, came in response to a tweet by the then Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, about immigration deportation targets.

Angela Carter-Begbie – Queen’s Park and Maida Vale

Carter-Begbie promoted several conspiracy theories online, including claiming that King Charles was ‘weak’ and ‘under the WEF’ meaning the World Economic Forum. Others included suggesting that the 9/11 terrorist attack on the Twin Towers was an ‘inside job’ and the Covid-19 vaccine rollout was ‘like the Holocaust’.

Samantha Goggin – Surrey Heath

At a hustings this month she appeared to blame Margaret Thatcher for the Falklands, telling a meeting ‘We’ve already been put through… the Falklands War by the Conservative party’.

Dave Holland – Mid-Bedfordshire

Dave Holland wrote on his official website that the increase in gender dysphoria could have a range of causes including canned food, the pill and car fumes. He later told the Telegraph: ‘My article asked questions and I don’t believe there is anything in there that is critical of the transgender community, that certainly wasn’t my intent.’

Pete Morris – Melton and Syston

In a local newspaper article for the Melton Times this month, Morris suggested that the coronavirus had been manufactured and released so the pharmaceutical industry could make billions from ‘potentially harmful so-called vaccines’.

Leslie Lilley – Southend East and Rochford

In a Facebook post in June 2020 he reportedly commented on the arrival of a small boat in Dover, saying: ‘I hope I’m near one of these scumbags one day. I won’t run away, I’ll slaughter them then have their family taken out.’

David Burgess-Joyce – Wallasey

Burgess-Joyce resigned from the Conservative party after posting a tweet in 2019 in which he claimed that Tottenham’s Labour MP, David Lammy, had done ‘more damage to community cohesion than any KKK member’.

Sarah Morris – Isle of Wight East

The Times reported that she had liked posts referring to Covid-19 as a ‘plandemic’ and saying that the vaccines were killing ‘millions’ as part of the ‘depopulation agenda’. She also reposted a conspiracy theory on Facebook saying that the World Health Organisation was installing an ‘autocratic world government’ which marks ‘the end of democratic process’.

Jake Fraser – Widnes and Halewood

He reportedly wrote on Facebook in July 2021 soon after vaccine certificates for travel were introduced: ‘We’re on the precipice of a Health Holocaust. The same methodology the Nazis used to rise to power with minimal opposition by appealing to both sides of the political spectrum… is unfolding before our eyes.’ He claimed his ‘rhetoric was a tip of the hat to parallels of totalitarianism employed by National Socialists during the rise of Hitler prior to (not during) the Holocaust’.

Pete Durnell – Smethwick

The Mail Online reported that he wrote on social media during lockdown in 2020: ‘Idea that elderly and/or infirm should be forcibly isolated, virtually indefinitely, is one which fits better with 1940s Germany than a modern day democracy.’ He also defended those refusing the Covid jab, saying he used to be baffled by how ‘ordinary German folk meekly comply with orders to hate and persecute Jews, with zero justification’ but was now watching ‘something so similar unfold around me’.

Mark Butcher – Blackpool South

According to the Daily Mirror, Butcher expounded on various conspiracy theories on his YouTube channel, including a claim that the CIA made TVs to put people to sleep so they would not be alert to other conspiracies.

Edward Oakenfull – Derbyshire Dales

After Nigel Farage officially withdrew support for his campaign last Saturday, Oakenfull claimed that social media posts he made about the IQ of sub-Saharan Africans had been ‘taken out of context’. He also claimed that Muslims would ‘inter-breed’ if ‘imported’ into the country.

Robert Lomas – Barnsley North

Dropped alongside Oakenfull, Lomas has reportedly made past comments about ‘black people of Britain’ acting like ‘savages’. Farage has since said that he wants ‘nothing to do’ with the Barnsley North hopeful.

Robert Smith – Orkney and Shetland

From JK Rowling to Andrew Marr to Carol Vorderman to David Attenborough, Robert Smith has railed against a number of big names. The Scottish candidate used slurs against gay people and called for Nicola Sturgeon to be shot in social media comments between 2016 to 2023.

Andrew Husband – North Durham

Husband hit out at the King over his environmental policies, referring to His Royal Highness as a ‘climate cracker’. He also has history spouting anti-vax conspiracies – but his Twitter/X account was removed after 19 July. How curious…

Garry Sutherland – Exmouth and Exeter East

Beagle-basher Sutherland was found guilty in June last year of causing unnecessary suffering after he kicked a dog in a Dorset village. The Reform candidate now faces a two-year ban on owning a dog. The Devon choice has also retweeted antisemitic videos from conspiracy theorist David Icke. Yikes.

Amelia Randall – Herne Bay and Sandwich

A self-confessed ‘psychic fortune teller’, the Mail reveals that Ms Randall sold both tarot card readings and, er, spells for a cool £200-a-pop on OnlyFans. ‘My psychic abilities have grown as the years have gone by’, her website claims.

John Edwards – Southampton Test

Edwards has previously referred to Love Island contestants as ‘thick tarts’ – and blasted former Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson as being a ‘gobby bird’. A gardener by trade, the Solent man recently claimed in a hustings that climate change was ‘a bit of a hoax’.

Malcolm Sedgley – Meriden and Solihull East

Taking to social media to bash the Royal Family, Sedgley compared the Windsors to ‘Nazis’ in 2019. Two years previously, he also called Queen Elizabeth II a ‘tax avoiding OAP on benefits’. Oo er.

Hamish Haddow – Chipping Barnet

It seems Farage isn’t the only one with a penchant for Putin: Haddow stood down as Tory candidate for local elections in 2022 after saying he was rooting for the Russia leader. He has also claimed the RNLI was a ‘taxi service for illegal immigrants’ and called Prince William ‘antisemitic and ‘anti-British’ for supporting an end to the Israel-Hamas conflict.
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Surprising amount of anti monarchists in there. You think Nigel knows? :lol:
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I mean, I could almost get on board with that, but voicing it does show a stunning lack of judgement for a polititian soliciting themselves to flag shagging gammons
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I aslo had a quick look down the list of Tories who have been sanctioned for one thing or another. What stands out is: No.1 - *how* good the tories have been at deflecting scandals of financial impropriety and No.2 - they really are a sexually fucked up bunch :lol:

Charlie Elphicke - found guilty of three counts of sexual assault against two women, less than a year after resigning as the Conservative MP for Dover.
Rob Roberts, Conservative MP for Delyn in north Wales - found by parliament’s independent expert panel to have made “significant” repeated unwanted sexual advances towards a former member of staff, as well as inappropriate comments of a sexual nature.
Andrew Griffiths, former Conservative minister - found by a high court judge to have raped his wife and subjected her to coercive control.
David Warburton, Conservative MP for Somerton and Frome - suspended from the Tory parliamentary party after a series of allegations relating to sexual harassment and cocaine use.
Neil Parish, Conservative MP for Tiverton and Honiton - resigns his seat after admitting he twice watched pornography in the House of Commons.
Imran Ahmad Khan, Conservative MP for Wakefield - found guilty of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy after plying him with alcohol at a party in 2008.
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I think it’s just a reflection of the Tory press tactics. They’re more concerned with trying to discredit the opposition politicians (or at least try to bring them down to their level) than actually fight for worthwhile change.
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Nefarious wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 3:40 pm I mean, I could almost get on board with that, but voicing it does show a stunning lack of judgement for a polititian soliciting themselves to flag shagging gammons
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Did Broccers delete a reply?
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Rich B wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2024 4:37 pm I think it’s just a reflection of the Tory press tactics. They’re more concerned with trying to discredit the opposition politicians (or at least try to bring them down to their level) than actually fight for worthwhile change.
We were commenting at home how the press coverage since the election reflects:
1) Just how slick and practiced the Tory comms machine is
2) Just how naive Labour's comms department is
3) How stuck in a rut of largely pointless tittle-tattle the British press has become.

Compare, for example, how quickly Boris holidaying at David's Ross's villa, or Lubov Chernukhin's donations to the Tory party were brushed under the carpet, versus the Louise Haigh non-story being dragged out for best part of a week and counting.
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