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i'm not even sure i see the point. it’s presumably a muddy hole.
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This.Rich B wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 9:36 pm i'm not even sure i see the point. it’s presumably a muddy hole.
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Watching a few videos on cave diving/exploration gone wrong on YouTube was enough to make me realise these people are crazy.
The Nutty Putty cave fatality is absolutely torturous and that’s without any water involved
The Nutty Putty cave fatality is absolutely torturous and that’s without any water involved
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I did it once. Not fully underwater, but various caves connected by underwater sections. And we didn't have scuba gear.
This was a wee while ago, and I'm sure technology has moved on, but we were using old skool miner's headlamps, which come with a big heavy battery pack attached to your belt. Getting wedged underwater because your battery pack is caught up on a jaggy bit of rock is a sketchy experience.
Oh, and perhaps worse was the training beforehand. Wandering around a disused flooded mine. No nasty pinch points, but every so often a hidden vertical shaft under the water line. And the gear was heavy enough to fully take you under if you stepped in the hole
This was a wee while ago, and I'm sure technology has moved on, but we were using old skool miner's headlamps, which come with a big heavy battery pack attached to your belt. Getting wedged underwater because your battery pack is caught up on a jaggy bit of rock is a sketchy experience.
Oh, and perhaps worse was the training beforehand. Wandering around a disused flooded mine. No nasty pinch points, but every so often a hidden vertical shaft under the water line. And the gear was heavy enough to fully take you under if you stepped in the hole

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I have a very vague memory of news articles at the time, but I only became aware of details about 18months ago. It's utterly horrificGavster wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:43 pm Watching a few videos on cave diving/exploration gone wrong on YouTube was enough to make me realise these people are crazy.
The Nutty Putty cave fatality is absolutely torturous and that’s without any water involved


Youtube link in the hidden link below for anyone interested. No gore, but not an easy watch.
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Bloody terrifying!!!
Many moons ago we were at Ripon training area. We did some pot holing (was a wee cadet) and it be of the tunnels was only wide enough for me to crawl through if I had one arm out and one arm back. So I dragged myself up getting caught and squished along the way getting a little scared but able to deal with it.
When coming to the opening I got out and without even looking pushed out and to the right, I fell right over a ledge with a flowing underwater river below, held on with my fingertips as my legs were now level with my arms (like when you bend over and touch your toes) I was hanging for a good 10 seconds or so when a panicking instructor grabbed my foot and another yanked me over. They didn’t know where the river ultimately went to and should have been at the tunnel entrance when I came out.
Never liked small spaces ever since.
The story above, I’d rather be burnt alive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDjODRpuXrU
Dave!
Many moons ago we were at Ripon training area. We did some pot holing (was a wee cadet) and it be of the tunnels was only wide enough for me to crawl through if I had one arm out and one arm back. So I dragged myself up getting caught and squished along the way getting a little scared but able to deal with it.
When coming to the opening I got out and without even looking pushed out and to the right, I fell right over a ledge with a flowing underwater river below, held on with my fingertips as my legs were now level with my arms (like when you bend over and touch your toes) I was hanging for a good 10 seconds or so when a panicking instructor grabbed my foot and another yanked me over. They didn’t know where the river ultimately went to and should have been at the tunnel entrance when I came out.
Never liked small spaces ever since.
The story above, I’d rather be burnt alive.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cDjODRpuXrU
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Why, oh why oh why....
Those tales about people getting stuck are the stuff of nightmares. And then you see just how small the gaps are they're forcing themselves through.
I used to get claustrophobic sleeping in the top part of the old camper van, so all of this stuff gets a hard pass.
Those tales about people getting stuck are the stuff of nightmares. And then you see just how small the gaps are they're forcing themselves through.
I used to get claustrophobic sleeping in the top part of the old camper van, so all of this stuff gets a hard pass.
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I did it once when I was younger and it's not something I'd wish to repeat. Having to dive and swim under water in the dark between two caves was a particular highlight.
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Big bowl of fuck that.
I’ve done some cenote and cave swimming in Mexico which wasn’t too bad, a few low ceilings and deep water but nothing even approaching some of that stuff.
I’ve done some cenote and cave swimming in Mexico which wasn’t too bad, a few low ceilings and deep water but nothing even approaching some of that stuff.
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I love diving and am not claustrophobic, but no thanks.
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I'm not even going to watch that - an absolute no fucking way. I'd rather jump out of an aeroplane and there's no fucking way I'd do that either.
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My boss does this kinda stuff and is one of NZ's specialist cave rescue people who get called in to recover people. He's about to do a jaunt where he's helicoptered to the top of a mountain, then spend five days navigating downwards through the cave network and reappear at the bottom. Zero way to be contacted for five days, heaps of caves and lots with river bits and underwater passageways etc.
Doesn't matter how hard I try I cannot visualise ever doing that at gun point let alone for fun. But he thinks I'm nuts for doing trackdays...
Doesn't matter how hard I try I cannot visualise ever doing that at gun point let alone for fun. But he thinks I'm nuts for doing trackdays...
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Yeah, I think I'd take my chances against a gun over that too.KiwiDave wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2024 4:36 am My boss does this kinda stuff and is one of NZ's specialist cave rescue people who get called in to recover people. He's about to do a jaunt where he's helicoptered to the top of a mountain, then spend five days navigating downwards through the cave network and reappear at the bottom. Zero way to be contacted for five days, heaps of caves and lots with river bits and underwater passageways etc.
Doesn't matter how hard I try I cannot visualise ever doing that at gun point let alone for fun. But he thinks I'm nuts for doing trackdays...

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I’d seen the oil pipeline incident before, imagine how helpless the one who crawled out must have felt when the company just left the rest to die because rescue expensive
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I saw another video about a really dangerous cave dive where several people have died attempting to get past a certain point. The problem which killed some of them was a trick that anyone who goes hiking will understand. When you navigate forwards along a pathway, you don’t normally look behind you, meaning that when you turn around to walk back, it all suddenly looks confusing - especially if you’re in a hurry or panicking.
There were two kids who had exactly that problem, they dived down, took massive risks getting into the unexplored section, one of them got stuck, but his friend saved him, then they ran out of air in their tanks. They could just make it to the surface holding their breath because it wasn’t all that deep. Except in the panic and hurry, they want up a false exit, and when they reached the top, there was no air. Nor could they hold their breath any longer to dive back down to find the real exit
There were two kids who had exactly that problem, they dived down, took massive risks getting into the unexplored section, one of them got stuck, but his friend saved him, then they ran out of air in their tanks. They could just make it to the surface holding their breath because it wasn’t all that deep. Except in the panic and hurry, they want up a false exit, and when they reached the top, there was no air. Nor could they hold their breath any longer to dive back down to find the real exit
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Done that, and it was awesome.JonMad wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:25 pm I'd rather jump out of an aeroplane and there's no fucking way I'd do that either.
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