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[tim]

I reckon I can get another year of el-cheapo motoring out of my Mondeo but to replace it I'm currently leaning towards a 2021 onwards Jaguar XF SportBrake with a ~£25k CASH budget. They seem like good value. I like Jaguars. The 21 on facelift looks lovely inside.

Has anyone tried one?

[V8Granite]

My friend has the 2.0 litre petrol turbo and it doesn’t feel very Jaguarish. It’s a lovely looking car on the outside, all black.

He drives like an old man so apart from that this is zero use.

Dave!

[Jobbo]

Not specific to the XF but I'd avoid the Ingenium 2.0 4-cyl - I keep seeing stories about them and you could write that off as internet gossip but a chap on PH has rebuilt his. Multiple times: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/top ... &t=2013662 - plenty of evidence of not very good engineering.

[V8Granite]

Nope, the Ingenium engine is dog shit.

Dave!

[Ascender]

Had to google it as I wasn't sure Sportbrake was an actual thing, but on looks alone it gets a pass although its hard to mess up an estate car design.

[tim]

I believe they changed the engine lineup with the 21 on models - are they these?

[tim]

Looks like they're all Ingenium both petrol and denzil

[Jobbo]

Looks like they're all Ingenium both petrol and denzil

I'm not sure if the 6-cylinders are as bad, but they are part of the same family so I'd want to do my research. The 4-cyl petrol and diesel share a lot but it may be the petrol is better than the diesel.

[jamcg]

Ingenium is a landrover brand name for the miltiair systems they bought off someone who bought it off fiat. Basically Chinese whispers (can you call it that anymore?) where the starting point was a bit shit

[Jimexpl]

Looks like they're all Ingenium both petrol and denzil

I'm not sure if the 6-cylinders are as bad, but they are part of the same family so I'd want to do my research. The 4-cyl petrol and diesel share a lot but it may be the petrol is better than the diesel.

The petrol Ingenium is generally fine, and while a 4 cylinder turbo is not the most exciting engine I thought the 240 version in our Disco Sport had more character and better power delivery than the VW/Audi equivalent.
You'd have to be mad to consider the 4 cylinder diesel.

[16vCento]

Ingenium is a landrover brand name for the miltiair systems they bought off someone who bought it off fiat. Basically Chinese whispers (can you call it that anymore?) where the starting point was a bit shit

Only the high powered petrol 2.0 used a version of multiair.

However, Ingenium engines are not great, petrol much better than diesel, but I wouldn't buy a car powered by either, and I've seen a lot more than most of them.

V6 or nowt.