The Protest Thread.

[ZedLeg]

Ok, ocean cleanup is proving to work and recycles and sends a positive message, scale this up hugely.
Any pushes for local greenery, if not why not ?
Fields should be for farming, not electrification.
Local and seasonal products, not artisan posh stuff, just grow more locally.
Push small local initiatives, not global.
Why don’t we already recycle our plastic bottles like Norway and many other countries ?
MASSIVE fines for littering.
Mainly, get rid of net zero for the grid and push for businesses, housing etc produce its own power. Not shit heat pumps, huge solar fields and other power generation that doesn’t work on huge scales.

Eventually this will change people’s mindset, not batter them with it by pricing out the poorest in society.

Dave!

Once again, we largely agree once I remove your Daily Mail filter

[V8Granite]

What’s your solution?

I don’t think there should be as the poorest parts of the world are having the most children.
On a local level, saying after your second pregnancy (not second child, so twins etc aren’t affected) we won’t offer any more financial help will certainly stop a lot of financial drains on society.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

They’ve already done that and all that’s happened is that loads of families are pushed into poverty.

“Over-population” is a misdirection, the primary drive behind pollution is capitalist greed.

[V8Granite]

They’ve already done that and all that’s happened is that loads of families are pushed into poverty.

“Over-population” is a misdirection, the primary drive behind pollution is capitalist greed.

It’s not hard to not get pregnant, it’s their own choice.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

That daily mail filter is back

[V8Granite]

That daily mail filter is back

Ahh yes, some people tripped.

We discussed at length before having our second, why is that hard for people to do for a 3rd ?

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

So it’s people can do as they like unless you disagree?

[V8Granite]

They can do as they like, they just need to take responsibility for their actions.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

That directly contradicts what you said though.

It’s bizarre to me that limiting how much people drive is beyond the pale but restricting how many children people have is fine.

Some people are half a step away from full on authoritarianism

Is saying your kids will deal with it you taking responsibility for your environmental impact?

Also your attitude towards folk struggling due to the benefit cap undermines your earlier concern for the poorest in society.

[V8Granite]

That directly contradicts what you said though.

It’s bizarre to me that limiting how much people drive is beyond the pale but restricting how many children people have is fine.

Some people are half a step away from full on authoritarianism

Is saying your kids will deal with it you taking responsibility for your environmental impact?

I can’t afford a Chieftan tank, so I don’t drive one to work.

I can’t afford 2 more children, so I don’t have them.

Anything less complex and I’ll need extra crayons. If you can’t afford it, don’t have it.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

Your initial point was about environmental impact not finances.

Two different discussions.

How do you square doing what you like but telling someone that they can’t have more kids? Leaving aside the benefit cap discussion.

[V8Granite]

Also your attitude towards folk struggling due to the benefit cap undermines your earlier concern for the poorest in society.

It’s very clear to me you never grew up poor.

Take away the pisstakers and surprise surprise the truly poor have more of the help they need. It wasn’t the ones going out to work who had all the extra kids, it was the workshy, much to the frustration of my parents.

I’m sure you will equate this as something completely different so crack on.

Dave!

[V8Granite]

Your initial point was about environmental impact not finances.

Two different discussions.

How do you square doing what you like but telling someone that they can’t have more kids? Leaving aside the benefit cap discussion.

Read the reply above this, I’m not stopping anyone having more kids.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

Also your attitude towards folk struggling due to the benefit cap undermines your earlier concern for the poorest in society.

It’s very clear to me you never grew up poor.

Take away the pisstakers and surprise surprise the truly poor have more of the help they need. It wasn’t the ones going out to work who had all the extra kids, it was the workshy, much to the frustration of my parents.

I’m sure you will equate this as something completely different so crack on.

Dave!

You look stupid when you make assumptions like that mate, you know nothing about my life.

[V8Granite]

Think what you like, I stand by my point.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

Doesn’t explain how financially punishing the poor for having kids will help the environment.

[mik]

People aren’t having loads of kids, they’re living longer.

It’s a bit of both. 2021 global average was 2.23 kids per female. It’s coming down - which is positive.

[V8Granite]

You asked what’s the solution to too many people on the planet.

I think not being able to put more pressure on the state will prevent a lot of births.

Dave!

[ZedLeg]

But it won’t stop folk who can afford them having loads of kids, your suggestion is just a punishment for being poor.

[ZedLeg]

People aren’t having loads of kids, they’re living longer.

It’s a bit of both. 2021 global average was 2.23 kids per female. It’s coming down - which is positive.

Aye, it depends on where you’re looking tbh.