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The drivers were really struggling with the heat

Ocon spewed in his helmet on lap 15. Bet he had a pleasant race

Albon and stroll could hardly get out of the cars, stroll went straight over to an ambulance and practically collapsed into the side of it and albon had to be helped out



Well done to McLaren on breaking pitstop world record, 1.8 seconds :shock:
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Oops.
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At least it appears he wasn't the only omission

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The FIA need that Christmas bonus!
United States Grand Prix: FIA quadruple maximum F1 driver fine to 1m euros https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/67165320
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I see The Stapp up to his usual bullshit at the start of the US sprint race.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/vide ... 84984.html
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Quite. If the white line is the edge of the track and you get penalised / times deleted if all four wheels go over it then how is that not forcing another driver off the track?
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Schumacher was berated just about world wide for doing similar to Barrichello - ok there was a concrete wall instead of runoff but as you say, if the white line is the track limit what difference does it make.
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Lewis and Charles both disqualified for irregular plank https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... Ohw0a.html
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FFS. That's a kick in the teeth. Can imagine some choice words being repeated very loudly in both garages.
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Wonder how many others would have failed? They only checked 4 cars- which in this case were max, lando, Lewis and Charles.

Their dq has put both williams in the points, Logan Sargeant getting his first ever points finish
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That seems unfair. Surely you check all the cars, not just four. There's only 20, hardly a daunting task.
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DeskJockey wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:56 am That seems unfair. Surely you check all the cars, not just four. There's only 20, hardly a daunting task.
Unfortunately it's not unusual for scrutineers to check the podium or lead cars only.

At the Knockhill BTCC this year Tom Ingram was disqualified from one race for ride height too low. The car was set up for the dry, and rain came unexpectedly so everyone changed to wets during the race. (Ingram did so very early - which was a strategy that gave him the win). Teams know that if the track dries and the wets start to overheat - the sidewalls get squishy and the car sits a smidge lower. They therefore account for this during setup if they are expecting it, but (with the series being hyper-competitive) push the boundaries otherwise. Ingram lost out, but the general consensus was that around 50% of the field would probably have failed if they had checked all cars.

Video of the scrutineering (click to be taken to the appropriate time) - the commentary was (rather sneakily) added to this footage after the disqualification became known, as it took a little time for the decision & announcement.

edit: if you later look back at 21m30sec Cammish's team feel the need to do something at when he comes in for wets - possibly raising the ride height a smidge (?)

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"the high wear on the skid pads was probably a result of the unique combination of the bumpy track and the Sprint race schedule that minimized the time to set up and check the car before the race."

So even if they caught this after the sprint race would they have been able to do anything? Park ferme after all…
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I don't think it makes sense to deny them the option of fixing something if they've been told ahead of the event that they're in breach of regs. But the FIA move in mysterious and illogical ways.
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DeskJockey wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:02 am I don't think it makes sense to deny them the option of fixing something if they've been told ahead of the event that they're in breach of regs. But the FIA move in mysterious and illogical ways.
When you're trying to make and enforce rules for a group that's notorious for finding new and inventive ways for bending/breaking those rules, you've got to take a hard line.
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But it’s a bit of a farce when you give the drivers 1 short practice session in which they can’t do a full race simulation, then on a sprint weekend give them even fewer tyres so they can’t even make much use of that practice session.
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Rich B wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 1:14 pm
DeskJockey wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:02 am I don't think it makes sense to deny them the option of fixing something if they've been told ahead of the event that they're in breach of regs. But the FIA move in mysterious and illogical ways.
When you're trying to make and enforce rules for a group that's notorious for finding new and inventive ways for bending/breaking those rules, you've got to take a hard line.
I agree, but you have to be fair too. What's the point of them running if they know ahead of time they'll be DQd or penalised severely?
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