It’s time for another forum cycle/vehicle disagreement

[ZedLeg]

Dan wasn't wearing hi viz, clearly his own fault.

[Jobbo]

Looks like he wobbled into another lane to me on the DM vid. I don't think he was riding particularly well myself.

The car that hit him moved into his lane:

[Broccers]

Seems Dan doenst know how roundabouts work

[Jobbo]

If he can reverse on a bicycle I'd be impressed.

[Broccers]

If he can reverse on a bicycle I'd be impressed.

He's very talented so who knows.

[mik]

I think it shows a driver just not seeing him at all and driving in to him.

Same. He's fully on the roundabout - not joining it, and the car appears to move from another lane into his - and hits him.

I only ever cycle for pleasure - not commuting - so it's "easy" for me to always wear a bright yellow jacket with reflective elements. It's not mandatory, and everyone has a "right" to wear all black-clothing when they cycle, but it's not very risk aware. In the same way that it's perfectly legal to cycle wearing headphones/earphones.... not a chance I would do it. It doesn't mean I'd intentionally drive into people that do this, but I do wonder what they are thinking.

Going back a few decades, cars used sidelights only when in streetlit or dim conditions - in order to be seen. Headlights used where you need to see. Safety campaigns and revised police guidance caused sidelights to now generally be considered as only parking-lights : put your headlights on in order to be seen, and to see, as soon as light starts to dim. Now we also have DRLs, so even in bright daylight conditions, dopey drivers have been increasingly desensitised to movement, unless it's associated with bright lights.

Now if only everyone wore citrus-lensed driving glasses when conditions were dimmed - we'd might stand a chance....

[Gavster]

Looks like he wobbled into another lane to me on the DM vid. I don't think he was riding particularly well myself.

The car that hit him moved into his lane:

Wish there was more of this video. If that car changed lane without looking or seeing him, then it's not Dan's fault.

Sure, there's preventative stuff he could have done, e.g. road positioning, hi viz, using cycle lanes etc etc, but the car still changed lane without seeing him.

I used to regularly cycle over a few major roundabouts and would always take a hugely defensive position, never putting myself in Dan's position by cycling alongside a car, I'd always stay behind them and use them as a shield. However, I'm paranoid about roundabouts, in the same way that Dan will be for eternity now

[MikeHunt]

I’m guessing the cyclist had had an annoyingly incident-free ride up to that point and upon nearing the end of his journey realised that the jeep was his last opportunity for a bit of self righteousness.

Lucky the cyclist dint gesture to the guy in the jag at the weekend

Anyone know where this is as 135 for petrol and 139 for diesel is a lot cheaper than Bromsgrove, circa 148 this morning.

[mik]

Anyone know where this is as 135 for petrol and 139 for diesel is a lot cheaper than Bromsgrove, circa 148 this morning.

Every cloud

It's Edinburger - here

https://goo.gl/maps/fP7TUNdqLViCC6V57

[MikeHunt]

Anyone know where this is as 135 for petrol and 139 for diesel is a lot cheaper than Bromsgrove, circa 148 this morning.

Every cloud

It's Edinburger - here

https://goo.gl/maps/fP7TUNdqLViCC6V57

Ive spent hours playing Forza, should have recognised it

Didn't realise fuel varied by soo much across the country.

[Mito Man]

The car in the crash is a Nissan Qashqai. I feel like every pedestrian/cyclist and other road user should always proceed with extra caution whenever near a Qashqai because they're usually fucking blind.

[Ascender]

I think it shows a driver just not seeing him at all and driving in to him.

I only ever cycle for pleasure - not commuting - so it's "easy" for me to always wear a bright yellow jacket with reflective elements. It's not mandatory, and everyone has a "right" to wear all black-clothing when they cycle, but it's not very risk aware. In the same way that it's perfectly legal to cycle wearing headphones/earphones.... not a chance I would do it. It doesn't mean I'd intentionally drive into people that do this, but I do wonder what they are thinking.

I've had arguments with other cyclists who have stated that they see no reason why they shouldn't wear all back if they want to, all year round, because well, it's their right to. Risk awareness doesn't come in to it and it's on everyone else to look out for them.

Which I get, but its amazing how quickly you pick out someone wearing a high viz cycling jacket - whether its against the backdrop of heavy traffic, pedestrians etc or out on the open road.

[Gavster]

I think it shows a driver just not seeing him at all and driving in to him.

I only ever cycle for pleasure - not commuting - so it's "easy" for me to always wear a bright yellow jacket with reflective elements. It's not mandatory, and everyone has a "right" to wear all black-clothing when they cycle, but it's not very risk aware. In the same way that it's perfectly legal to cycle wearing headphones/earphones.... not a chance I would do it. It doesn't mean I'd intentionally drive into people that do this, but I do wonder what they are thinking.

I've had arguments with other cyclists who have stated that they see no reason why they shouldn't wear all back if they want to, all year round, because well, it's their right to. Risk awareness doesn't come in to it and it's on everyone else to look out for them.

Which I get, but its amazing how quickly you pick out someone wearing a high viz cycling jacket - whether its against the backdrop of heavy traffic, pedestrians etc or out on the open road.

I once saw a very cool-looking roadie on a matt black carbon frame with matching black components everywhere, wearing all black Rapha gear, with no lights, cycling along the Marylebone road at twilight, surrounded by buses, lorries and frustrated commuters. It's like smoking, it's your right to do it, but don't be surprised if you die quicker as a result

[ZedLeg]

I never wear hi viz and often don’t take a helmet because I can’t be arsed carrying it when I get wherever I’m going. I do have little LED lights that I usually have on though. Mo logic to it whatsoever

[Mito Man]

I understand the logic of being lazy but don't know why helmets are such a divisive topic amongst cyclists. Surely if you do fall off having an inch of foam to cushion the blow is preferable to raw skull dragging along the tarmac.

[ZedLeg]

I totally agree and helmets have saved my life at least twice. On the other hand they’re annoying to carry around.

[mik]

@Mito Man The argument seems to be that wearing and encouraging the wearing of a helmet (or other PPE) is somehow an indication that current risks presented to cyclists from vehicles are acceptable - using PPE to address those risks isn't going to be negate them. If you wear PPE then it will become compulsory to wear PPE. Other countries (eg Netherlands) where cycling is far more common do NOT insist on helmets and cyclist don't generally opt to use them - as they have cycle-specific infrastructure in place to separate cyclists from motor vehicles.

Given that we don't often have that separated infrastructure today in the UK - this seems a rather perverse "logic" to me.

[Mito Man]

I think PPE should always be a personal choice. One problem here is that as Zedleg says, carrying a helmet is annoying and it’s not as safe as other European countries where you can just leave your helmet clipped to the bike and expect it to not be stolen an hour later.
Usually I wear a helmet but it’s not because I think I’ll be run over by a Qashqai, it’s more because I expect myself to do something stupid and fall off

[dinny_g]

@Mito Man The argument seems to be that wearing and encouraging the wearing of a helmet (or other PPE) is somehow an indication that current risks presented to cyclists from vehicles are acceptable

That may be the argument but it's utter twaddle. 101 ways you can come off your bike that do not involve motorists. My two worst crashes was 1. completely on my own. Hit a rubber speed bump at the wrong angle and went down like a stone and 2. A crash involving another bike. (Their fault) Helmet saved me both times.

I get that it's a matter of choice but you've a death wish if you don't. Same with Skiing

[mik]

@couldn't agree more. I do accept though that if you make it a legal requirement then these on-street bike hire thingies would cease to be a viable thing.