M3 Touring

[Simon]

I don't hate that M3 Touring, but why oh why is the rear camera not an electric pop out model but rather just bolted above the rear number plate like a horrible boil that needs cutting off?

I'd not even noticed that tbh. Depending what options you have, it's recording constantly whenever the ignition is on which probably explains the design decision.

Gotchya.

You can see it really clearly on Jimmy Willy Wonka's video above.

[Ascender]

I don't hate that M3 Touring, but why oh why is the rear camera not an electric pop out model but rather just bolted above the rear number plate like a horrible boil that needs cutting off?

I'd not even noticed that tbh. Depending what options you have, it's recording constantly whenever the ignition is on which probably explains the design decision.

Gotchya.

You can see it really clearly on Jimmy Willy Wonka's video above.

I see it now! Yeah, looks a bit of an after-thought doesn't it?

Like the big beaver teeth, I think this will be much less noticeable on a dark coloured car.

I really hope that's his actual name btw. There has been much angry hammering of keyboards since that video was posted by people wondering how someone from England ever thought to put a deposit on a Touring at a dealer in Perth last year and secured the first one. Most dealers seem to have had 1 or 2 deposits from old customers going back a number of years, so the conspiracy theories are out in force.

[IanF]

M3 CS launches in March..

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/m-m ... rview.html

[Ascender]

M3 CS launches in March..

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/m-m ... rview.html

XDrive? On a CS? That's a weird one isn't it?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that any weight saving they've made could have been doubled if they just went with RWD. I know it will be switchable, but that's not really the point.

[Rich B]

Add 50bhp, put shitty graphics on it.

[Simon]

And a wing. You forgot the wing.

[Mito Man]

M3 CS launches in March..

https://www.bmw.co.uk/en/all-models/m-m ... rview.html

XDrive? On a CS? That's a weird one isn't it?

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that any weight saving they've made could have been doubled if they just went with RWD. I know it will be switchable, but that's not really the point.

Would then basically be a cheaper M4 CSL and they need to leave that open so they can make an M3 rwd CSL in the future.

[MikeHunt]

Had a look at one yesterday, looks great in the flesh but in my head £100k is supercar money not m3. Its strange that the new M3 does seem to get the updated and smaller (992 style) gear stick that the lci 340i gets.

Assuming there is an M2 CS or even CSL, there will be a lot of overlap between models.

There are rumours of the supra getting the 550bhp M engine, Im quietly hoping the last of the Z4s will also get this.

[Ascender]

A Z4 with that engine would be a cracking car.

The price is the one thing that still gives me the cold sweats but seems to be where we are - the M3/M4 and Touring are all priced at 80-85-ish now - and other car manufacturers are headed in the same direction.

A big thread on another forum was basically lots of people demanding to know why it doesn't cost the same as the E36 or E46 M3s did. Then it descended in to an argument about affordability, wages etc.

[integrale_evo]

I bought an x5 price list booklet because I’m a nerd, and my 4.8is was £58k in 2005 which adjusted for inflation is about £95k today. Things are expensive!

Pretty sure my e36 would have been around £36k in 1996, or £64k adjusted to today, and look at all the extra toys and equipment you get on the new one as well as basically being the next model up size wise. Didn’t even get traction control or parking sensors back in 96

[Rich B]

Interesting idea, I seem to remember that my 1990 325i sport was around £21k when new. That's around £60k in today's money, which isn't far off the cost of an M440i with an option or two.

E46 M3 we're around £42k in 2003, which is around £85k today.

It works.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Where are you getting your inflation calcs from? They seema bit high.

The Bank of England has £42k in 2003 equivalent to c£67.6k currently.

[integrale_evo]

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetar ... calculator

[jamcg]

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m3/touring

Enthusiasts have waited for an M3 Touring for literally decades. Now it’s here. Should you buy one? Oh f**k yeah

[Ascender]

https://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m3/touring

Enthusiasts have waited for an M3 Touring for literally decades. Now it’s here. Should you buy one? Oh f**k yeah

That's another good write-up. I know its not going to be everyone's cup of tea but its exactly what I'm looking for and I'm genuinely like a kid waiting for Santa.

January has gone very slowly.... That's week 4 down....

The M Coupe I bought in 1998 was 35K I think? The E46 M3 was 40-ish?

Inflation, supply issues, the amount of tech going in to these cars now, I guess that's all got to factor-in to the current prices?

[Ascender]

Can I just say again... Pistonboatshoes

I made the mistake of resurrecting a long dormant account to chat with a few other people who had deposits down. I've not done anything on there in 10 years or so other than using it for a bit of research etc.

WOW.

I can only assume that the active posters are 5% car enthusiasts and owners who actually like talking about cars, with the other 95% being angry teenagers or middle aged men who are hammering away at their keyboard to tell you why whatever is being discussed is the WORST THING EVER. Over and over and over again.

It's genuinely been an eye-opening experience and not in a good way. I've asked them to delete my account so I'm never even tempted to try and post something on there ever again.

It's like the worst of Twitter, but in a car forum. I've seen something similar with a couple of Apple tech forums where there seems to be a large group of users who don't actually participate in any of the product-specific chat, but instead just post on the news forums to say how crap Apple is.

[Simon]

Can I just say again... Pistonboatshoes

I made the mistake of resurrecting a long dormant account to chat with a few other people who had deposits down. I've not done anything on there in 10 years or so other than using it for a bit of research etc.

WOW.

I can only assume that the active posters are 5% car enthusiasts and owners who actually like talking about cars, with the other 95% being angry teenagers or middle aged men who are hammering away at their keyboard to tell you why whatever is being discussed is the WORST THING EVER. Over and over and over again.

It's genuinely been an eye-opening experience and not in a good way. I've asked them to delete my account so I'm never even tempted to try and post something on there ever again.

It's like the worst of Twitter, but in a car forum. I've seen something similar with a couple of Apple tech forums where there seems to be a large group of users who don't actually participate in any of the product-specific chat, but instead just post on the news forums to say how crap Apple is.

This post is useless without a link to the offending thread Mike. Are you new here?

[Ascender]

Can I just say again... Pistonboatshoes

I made the mistake of resurrecting a long dormant account to chat with a few other people who had deposits down. I've not done anything on there in 10 years or so other than using it for a bit of research etc.

WOW.

I can only assume that the active posters are 5% car enthusiasts and owners who actually like talking about cars, with the other 95% being angry teenagers or middle aged men who are hammering away at their keyboard to tell you why whatever is being discussed is the WORST THING EVER. Over and over and over again.

It's genuinely been an eye-opening experience and not in a good way. I've asked them to delete my account so I'm never even tempted to try and post something on there ever again.

It's like the worst of Twitter, but in a car forum. I've seen something similar with a couple of Apple tech forums where there seems to be a large group of users who don't actually participate in any of the product-specific chat, but instead just post on the news forums to say how crap Apple is.

This post is useless without a link to the offending thread Mike. Are you new here?

I've burned the whole place with fire.

Let's never speak of it again.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Zed loves it on there, especially the swamp that is NP&E

[ZedLeg]

It’s true

It’s a good distraction and I’m one of those people that needs to be doing 5 things at once to focus on anything.

They’re all arseholes though, which is why I don’t mind being an arsehole back