Bye Bye Liz...

[Broccers]

Dealing with Starmer well so far

[dinny_g]

The words frying pan and fire spring to mind

We now have by far the most right wing government ever in the history of the UK.
Shocked but not surprised as each of the cabinet appointments got announced - no-marks, zealots and outright wankers chosen solely for the purposes of mutual back scratching, gammon appeasing and continuing Boris' legacy of emptying the national piggy bank into their own pockets.

Suella Braverman at the Home Office? She stood for PM on a ticket of "none of the others are Brexity enough, I will personally piss on the corpses of dead migrant children, huzzah!". Nobody thought Preti could be outdone for sheer callous evil, but Suella has just stood up and asked the nation to hold her pint.
Reece Mogg to business? It's like building a money pipeline straight to his offshore pocket
Cleverly and Coffey to Foreign and Health? Definitely appointed on merit, and in no way a backroom deal for their support in her candidacy.

All led by a fucking imbecile totally devoid of any charisma, who only stands where she is by virtue of being less brown than Rishi.

So in between crashing around the international stage offending everyone and splashing around a liberal helping of childish jingoism, she'll pay off the bribe to the Tory coffin-dodgers with yet more borrowing, drive interest rates up to 10%, and stand idly by while inflation noses 20%. But of course, for all the bleating about taking steps to combat inflation, it's clearly a deliberate policy to reduce the size of the government debt (and conveniently line the pockets of the property-owning Tory membership and donor list).

The best we can hope for is that the shitshow is *so* catastrophic that even the fumbling, bickering, and charmless Labour might stand a chance in the next election.

Gawd help us all

Come on Nef, don't sugar coat it or pull punches - tell us what you really think...

[ZedLeg]

So as well as already being in the middle of a constitutional argument with NI about Brexit, it looks like Liz wants to start one with Scotland over our planned GRA reform. Be interesting to see how far they're willing to push it to keep their tame bigots onside.

[Swervin_Mervin]

So as well as already being in the middle of a constitutional argument with NI about Brexit, it looks like Liz wants to start one with Scotland over our planned GRA reform. Be interesting to see how far they're willing to push it to keep their tame bigots onside.

What are they challenging it on?

ETA - I know this will likely set someone off, but it seems fair to me to consider whether it can be stopped or paused if it has potential ramifications for people living in England and Wales. I don't know the details of the reforms but there are still huge issues with self ID.

I'm not straying into that debate though.

[ZedLeg]

I'd assume it's opposition to self id, which is the lynch pin of most of the anti reform argument and a key talking point for anti trans campaigners for years.

It's all based on bad reporting and scaremongering though. All the reform is doing is trying to make it easier for trans people to legally change their identity as it can take years to get treatment/diagnosis through the NHS.

[Swervin_Mervin]

It's all based on bad reporting and scaremongering though. All the reform is doing is trying to make it easier for trans people to legally change their identity as it can take years to get treatment/diagnosis through the NHS.

How is it proposed to change, out of interest. Will original sex at birth remain on the records?

I ask as those records affect A LOT of research. E.g. changing a Birth/Death Certificate to still only have the person's preferred ID on it would be a significant issue. I'm not sure though if it's proposed to retain original assigned and add preferred.

[ZedLeg]

It's all based on bad reporting and scaremongering though. All the reform is doing is trying to make it easier for trans people to legally change their identity as it can take years to get treatment/diagnosis through the NHS.

How is it proposed to change, out of interest. Will original sex at birth remain on the records?

I ask as those records affect A LOT of research. E.g. changing a Birth/Death Certificate to still only have the person's preferred ID on it would be a significant issue. I'm not sure though if it's proposed to retain original assigned and add preferred.

As far as I know it's not changing anything about how the change is recorded. Just making it easier to make the change by removing some red tape.

[Swervin_Mervin]

It's all based on bad reporting and scaremongering though. All the reform is doing is trying to make it easier for trans people to legally change their identity as it can take years to get treatment/diagnosis through the NHS.

How is it proposed to change, out of interest. Will original sex at birth remain on the records?

I ask as those records affect A LOT of research. E.g. changing a Birth/Death Certificate to still only have the person's preferred ID on it would be a significant issue. I'm not sure though if it's proposed to retain original assigned and add preferred.

As far as I know it's not changing anything about how the change is recorded. Just making it easier to make the change by removing some red tape.

Which is a massive issue in itself. AIUI any birth/death certs only refer to sex and a GRC can be used to change that to the preffered sex. So a trans-woman's certs would only list female after any such change. Nothing about assigned sex at birth. That has very, very big implications when it comes to monitoring trends and wanting to understand potentially very important data.

I'm being obtuse but one example may be that if you saw a headline that cervical cancer in males had shot up in the last 5 years...

[ZedLeg]

You are being obtuse, I'd assume that headline would be to the usual high standard of medical journalism and there's more to it.

When it comes to national trends, trans people are such a tiny minority (estimated at around 1% of the population) that whatever they affect would be similar to any other edge case.

In five years of arguing, campaigning and appealing the anti reform groups have never found a reason to not go ahead that stands up to scrutiny.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Yeah - I specifically chose an extreme example purely to illustrate my point - I wasn't trying to be an arse . Even if such a thing were ever noted it very obviosuly wouldn't be published in that way - at least you'd hope not.

You make a good point regarding numbers I guess, albeit just to put 1% into context - that's around double the UK Chinese population, which seems surprising. Your point stands though.

[Rich B]

trans people are such a tiny minority (estimated at around 1% of the population)

without any comment on the topic, that estimate seems very high: 670,000 people? who's estimates are they?

[ZedLeg]

The around 1% figure comes from Stonewall. It’s probably safest to read it as no higher than 1% and probably less.

[Broccers]

Weve managed to land Eddie Izzard here. Cant understand if hes a he or not? I'm sure he has his bits he is a he

[Rich B]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... il-outrage

Joe Lycett- how did he manage to get in there?!

[ZedLeg]

I don’t know what the Mail are complaining about. They’re always saying that there aren’t enough openly conservative comedians on the bbc.

[IanF]

Other Liz May be sooner… GSTQ

[MikeHunt]

Libdem Mary played the long game.

[nuttinnew]

[nuttinnew]

Pork markets!

Cassetteboy or the like must have done a version.

[Broccers]

She does seem to have a very odd way of walking