Coronavirus

[Broccers]

Ok, obvious troll is obvious. Good night. Stay off the sauce.

I'm on drugs dude, whatever floats the narrative.

Sleep well.

[jamcg]

You tell me. How is it possible in such a short period of time every human, no matter their health status, needs an injection every 3 months? Ask yourself how, before today, we survived so long.

Hmmmm, could it be because Covid-19 didn’t exist so a jab wasn’t needed until now?

Hmm but the plague did and the whole world didnt die

Honestly. Do some learning.

I have. So I’ll pass that learning in to you. The Black Death plague killed somewhere between 75 and 200 million people in Europe and Northern Africa, across a 7 year period. Lack of records from the time mean it’s difficult to pinpoint an exact number. These numbers represent between 30-60% of the population at the time, and took around 200 years to recover the levels of population lost

What that means is that if you transferred that percentage to modern population of the Uk and took the higher number as a worst case scenario it would mean the deaths of 40.3million people, or based on a 7 year epidemic like the black death, an average yearly loss around 5.75million per annum.

We’re currently at 146,477 deaths so far less than anything the Black Death caused- in fact if you average 2 years worth of Black Death equivalence at 11.5million deaths were running at only 1.3%ish of those levels

Tl:dr

Don’t compare covid to Black Death because Black Death killed more than half the population and took 200 years to recover

[Broccers]

Hmmmm, could it be because Covid-19 didn’t exist so a jab wasn’t needed until now?

Hmm but the plague did and the whole world didnt die

Honestly. Do some learning.

I have. So I’ll pass that learning in to you. The Black Death plague killed somewhere between 75 and 200 million people in Europe and Northern Africa, across a 7 year period. Lack of records from the time mean it’s difficult to pinpoint an exact number. These numbers represent between 30-60% of the population at the time, and took around 200 years to recover the levels of population lost

What that means is that if you transferred that percentage to modern population of the Uk and took the higher number as a worst case scenario it would mean the deaths of 40.3million people, or based on a 7 year epidemic like the black death, an average yearly loss around 5.75million per annum.

We’re currently at 146,477 deaths so far less than anything the Black Death caused- in fact if you average 2 years worth of Black Death equivalence at 11.5million deaths were running at only 1.3%ish of those levels

Tl:dr

Don’t compare covid to Black Death because Black Death killed more than half the population and took 200 years to recover

I was on about the plague in Eyam, a small village in the north of England. Look it up. Bloody Southerners.

[jamcg]

That village where they implemented rudimentary lockdown and quarantine measures and still lost between 45-75% of their population?

Also I ain’t no southerner

[Broccers]

That village where they implemented rudimentary lockdown and quarantine measures and still lost between 45-75% of their population?

Also I ain’t no southerner

American with your bad dialect?

Google is letting you down today. Check wiki - it will tell you the people who lived had contact with those who died.

[Rich B]

Come on Broccers, tell everyone the facts. Try to sum it up in broad terms without resorting to "do your own research."

Prove me wrong in years to come lad. You won't be able to.

Prove you wrong on what? you haven't stated what you think the facts are yet.

[jamcg]

That village where they implemented rudimentary lockdown and quarantine measures and still lost between 45-75% of their population?

Also I ain’t no southerner

American with your bad dialect?

Google is letting you down today. Check wiki - it will tell you the people who lived had contact with those who died.

Certainly not American.

I am aware that they had contact with the infected but didn’t die.

If we ran as that village then I guess you think a death toll of 30-50 million is acceptable then. Because that’s what it scales up to

[Broccers]

Come on Broccers, tell everyone the facts. Try to sum it up in broad terms without resorting to "do your own research."

Prove me wrong in years to come lad. You won't be able to.

Prove you wrong on what? you haven't stated what you think the facts are yet.

What are your facts in years to come? Absolute tool.

[Broccers]

If we ran as that village then I guess you think a death toll of 30-50 million is acceptable then. Because that’s what it scales up to

Yes mate. Hard of thinking brainwashed kids.

[Jobbo]

If we ran as that village then I guess you think a death toll of 30-50 million is acceptable then. Because that’s what it scales up to

Yes mate. Hard of thinking brainwashed kids.

If you’re citing Eyam as an example of success, perhaps you think we should quarantine completely in tiny groups of ~400? Or do you mean this country should completely close its borders and remain unvaccinated, sacrificing ~40m of its population for the good of the rest of the world?

The latter wouldn’t work anyway since COVID is already infecting the rest of the world. I’m not sure Eyam’s example of successful quarantine is what you were hoping for.

[Rich B]

Prove me wrong in years to come lad. You won't be able to.

Prove you wrong on what? you haven't stated what you think the facts are yet.

What are your facts in years to come? Absolute tool.

Again, state something for us to agree/disagree with.

So far, all you've said is that we're being brainwashed, but it seems you don't have any narrative of your own opposing what we're being brainwashed to think.

[duncs500]

TBH, I don't really think this omicron is the big deal that the we're being encouraged to believe. We're going to get various mutations, doesn't change the fact that we've got to learn to live with this virus. Sure, everyone should get their booster, it is still most likely to help in the difficult winter months.

In an attempt to try and block out the incredibly sensationalist reporting we continue to see on the subject I continue to do what I have for a long time now of checking the case and death stats against the same day a week ago, and I haven't seen any significant fluctuations since omicron came on the scene (actually surprising given the time of year). Now I know that's one simple stat, but it's just a sense check I use.

Maybe I'm wrong and we're all going to die, but fuck it, I'm getting on with living in the mean time (whilst following the rules of course as long as they continue to stay sensible, which they actually seem to be so far).

[Rich B]

TBH, I don't really think this omicron is the big deal that the we're being encouraged to believe. We're going to get various mutations, doesn't change the fact that we've got to learn to live with this virus. Sure, everyone should get their booster, it is still most likely to help in the difficult winter months.

In an attempt to try and block out the incredibly sensationalist reporting we continue to see on the subject I continue to do what I have for a long time now of checking the case and death stats against the same day a week ago, and I haven't seen any significant fluctuations since omicron came on the scene (actually surprising given the time of year). Now I know that's one simple stat, but it's just a sense check I use.

Maybe I'm wrong and we're all going to die, but fuck it, I'm getting on with living in the mean time (whilst following the rules of course as long as they continue to stay sensible, which they actually seem to be so far).

yep, same.

I don't believe there's any WEF, great reset, planned by Klaus, fake disease, microchips, 5G bollocks, I just believe that we simply have a gov who are scared to be caught doing the wrong thing, so are assuming the worst every time.

Unfortunately they are so disorganised/uninspiring, that "planning for the worst" is coming across as "making it up as they go".

[dinny_g]

I'm getting on with living in the mean time (whilst following the rules of course as long as they continue to stay sensible, which they actually seem to be so far).

This…

I’m a wee bit worried about getting it in the next few week’s because we’ve 14 coming for Christmas Lunch and it would be a real shame… for them… because my Christmas Lunch is legendary!!!

But other than that, I think (like most rational people) if I get it, I’ll hit the Lemsip, binge watch The Wire and then get back to life

[Nefarious]

TBH, I don't really think this omicron is the big deal that the we're being encouraged to believe.

I think the exact opposite - I think Omicron is going to be a total game-changer, at least in the medium-term.

Modelling from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine (the best model we have at the moment) has a best-case scenario peak of over 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with 175,000 (95% CI: 139,000–198,000) hospitalisations and 24,700 (19,500–28,700) deaths between 1st December 2021 and 30th April 2022. Worst case shows 492,000 (418,000–537,000) hospitalisations and 74,800 (63,500–82,900) deaths.

However, two fairly big things missing in the modelling suggest that the reality could be worse: firstly, it models complicity with restrictions on levels seen in last Christmas's lockdown, which, given the current national mood (in England at least), seems overly optimistic; and secondly, the death rate to hospitalisations assumes a constant NHS resource. This is a big one - anecdotal reports suggest that Omicron is symptomatically milder, so the percentage hospitalisation rate will hopefully be significantly lower. But a smaller percentage of a massively bigger number of infections is still going to be a massive number. And massive numbers of infections means massive numbers of NHS staff infections. They might not be at death's door, but they're still going to be off work. For a system that's already way beyond the point of creaking, it's likely to enormously reduce the practical capacity of hospitals, and therefore significantly increase the deaths to hospitalisations ratio.

Basically, it's going to rip through the population largely unchecked. The vast majority it be absolutely fine but the sheer numbers will cripple the NHS response for those that do need them.

Sadly, the very things that would make a difference now - closing hospitality and banning mass gatherings are too politically hot to consider, so we're left playing at the margins with half-hearted work-from-home advice and "please wear a mask if it's not too much trouble", and hoping the boosters are effective enough to ease the NHS load.

[Broccers]

Prove you wrong on what? you haven't stated what you think the facts are yet.

What are your facts in years to come? Absolute tool.

Again, state something for us to agree/disagree with.

So far, all you've said is that we're being brainwashed, but it seems you don't have any narrative of your own opposing what we're being brainwashed to think.

Its quite easy to find people who agree with any narrative if you look hard enough. The whole 'we, us' seems to me that you think you're in a majority. You are not.

Most of you, when I do actually tire of pointing out your failings, will argue amongst yourselves.

[Rich B]

What are your facts in years to come? Absolute tool.

Again, state something for us to agree/disagree with.

So far, all you've said is that we're being brainwashed, but it seems you don't have any narrative of your own opposing what we're being brainwashed to think.

Its quite easy to find people who agree with any narrative if you look hard enough. The whole 'we, us' seems to me that you think you're in a majority. You are not.

Most of you, when I do actually tire of pointing out your failings, will argue amongst yourselves.

what is your narrative? That's all I'm asking.

[Broccers]

Again, state something for us to agree/disagree with.

So far, all you've said is that we're being brainwashed, but it seems you don't have any narrative of your own opposing what we're being brainwashed to think.

Its quite easy to find people who agree with any narrative if you look hard enough. The whole 'we, us' seems to me that you think you're in a majority. You are not.

Most of you, when I do actually tire of pointing out your failings, will argue amongst yourselves.

what is your narrative? That's all I'm asking.

Back foot. It's amazing, to me at least, that the UK peeps just bend and accept what the Media and Guv tell them. It's not that bad. It really isn't. My narrative is to question what you are being fed. Media, Guv etc. Questioning a lone voice on a forum of 25 active members really isnt the best place to open your eyes.

[Rich B]

Its quite easy to find people who agree with any narrative if you look hard enough. The whole 'we, us' seems to me that you think you're in a majority. You are not.

Most of you, when I do actually tire of pointing out your failings, will argue amongst yourselves.

what is your narrative? That's all I'm asking.

Back foot. It's amazing, to me at least, that the UK peeps just bend and accept what the Media and Guv tell them. It's not that bad. It really isn't. My narrative is to question what you are being fed. Media, Guv etc. Questioning a lone voice on a forum of 25 active members really isnt the best place to open your eyes.

ok, and what conclusion has your questioning led you to? Surely you have an opinion?

[Broccers]

what is your narrative? That's all I'm asking.

Back foot. It's amazing, to me at least, that the UK peeps just bend and accept what the Media and Guv tell them. It's not that bad. It really isn't. My narrative is to question what you are being fed. Media, Guv etc. Questioning a lone voice on a forum of 25 active members really isnt the best place to open your eyes.

ok, and what conclusion has your questioning led you to? Surely you have an opinion?

My conclusion is people like you have no gumption, are sheep and do what they are told. Your take?