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Orange Cola wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:48 pm One of the EU lot today tweeted something along the lines of now Boris and Gove have gone it’s a shame the notion of Brexit hasn’t gone with them. It was in such a way that we’d be welcome back with open arms.

The opportunity is still very much there if we cancelled the whole thing.
That would be amazing, but unless the people start making serious noise, it won't happen. Far too many politicians have nailed their colours/privates to that mast.
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I wonder what the odds are of a bit more disruption, May resigning then Mogg/Boris stepping up?
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DeskJockey wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:17 pm
PreacherCain wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:04 am Unzippy is correct. And DJ, I think you’ll find that a lot of the UKIP headbangers view you as the “right sort” of immigrant (rhotacise at will). Their focus (ironically, since most of the originating countries are nowhere near the EU) is on immigrants from, ahem, different cultural backgrounds.

This shitpit of a country is doomed, and we should all be buying canned food and shotgun ammunition.
While I agree with your point, it still feels like rejection, irrespective of whether I'm the right sort or not.
Oh, don’t get me wrong. I wasn’t trying to be comforting. It absolutely IS a rejection, and you’ve echoed a lot of my colleagues who feel the same way.
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DeskJockey wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:55 pm
Orange Cola wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:48 pm One of the EU lot today tweeted something along the lines of now Boris and Gove have gone it’s a shame the notion of Brexit hasn’t gone with them. It was in such a way that we’d be welcome back with open arms.

The opportunity is still very much there if we cancelled the whole thing.
That would be amazing, but unless the people start making serious noise, it won't happen. Far too many politicians have nailed their colours/privates to that mast.
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2 supposed Brexit supporters have quit over May's proposals, she's on borrowed time and another election looms.
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I’m not so sure she’s on her way out just yet. She’s survived worse and really, who the fuck wants that job? Unless she makes an irreversible screw up it’s hers until Brexit is delivered because no one wants to go near it.
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Orange Cola wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:47 pm I’m not so sure she’s on her way out just yet. She’s survived worse and really, who the fuck wants that job? Unless she makes an irreversible screw up it’s hers until Brexit is delivered because no one wants to go near it.
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I don’t think even he’s stupid enough to go for it. Like with the Heathrow runway he’s seen the writing on the wall and isn’t going near it.
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All these Brexit supporters, giving up any influence by resigning. Another view might be: May has won, it’s being done her way.
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Zonda_ wrote: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:17 pm she's on borrowed time and another election looms.
People have been saying that since she lost the majority in the last election, yet here she still is.

I've never been a fan of Theresa May, but there is part of me that hopes that she sees the whole brexit clusterfuck all the way through 'till it's done (whenever that'll be)

The problem is once she is finally done and out, there is the horrific thought of Gove/Hunt/Johnson putting themselves up for leadership :?

I lament the fact that there's no decent opposition these days.
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Jobbo wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:23 am All these Brexit supporters, giving up any influence by resigning.
It’s the perfect metaphor for Brexit.
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Marv wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:43 am
The problem is once she is finally done and out, there is the horrific thought of Gove/Hunt/Johnson putting themselves up for leadership :?
As much as I hate to say it, those three are the lesser evil. If they get in the big chair it would just be more of the same self interested, money grabbing politics that we've had for the last 20 or so years. Better that than Reese-Moggs, he's a fundamentalist.
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ZedLeg wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:30 am
Marv wrote: Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:43 am
The problem is once she is finally done and out, there is the horrific thought of Gove/Hunt/Johnson putting themselves up for leadership :?
As much as I hate to say it, those three are the lesser evil. If they get in the big chair it would just be more of the same self interested, money grabbing politics that we've had for the last 20 or so years. Better that than Reese-Moggs, he's a fundamentalist.
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Moggtard. Basket of deplorables!
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Feels like ages since this thread.

So the options are:
1. No deal (not an option constitutionally since it would break the Good Friday Agreement to have a hard border with Ireland)
2. This deal (awful)
3. Don't leave

Anyone got a preference between the latter two which are the only possible options?
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What an absolute shit show. At least mister "I didn't know that Calais is an important part of our supply chain" has resigned.
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ZedLeg wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:31 am What an absolute shit show. At least mister "I didn't know that Calais is an important part of our supply chain" has resigned.
That really deserved being struck off.
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Jobbo wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:02 am Feels like ages since this thread.

So the options are:
1. No deal (not an option constitutionally since it would break the Good Friday Agreement to have a hard border with Ireland)
2. This deal (awful)
3. Don't leave

Anyone got a preference between the latter two which are the only possible options?
I like how you've come to the conclusion that 2 and 3 are the only two options when 1 happens by default in the absence of option 2 or another negotiated deal and there is no real way to deliver 3 in the time available before March (given you'd need a second referendum and then only be allowed to revoke article 50 with the express consent of the other EU member states).

Can anyone see May's deal getting through parliament? A genuine question as I did not think the vote to invoke article 50 would be passed but clearly I was wrong on that. Seems to me that a very conflicted dynamic has established itself in that Remain MPs either need to vote for 2, or get 1. I still can't see that leading to enough Labour MPs voting for May's deal.
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Is a no deal exit really something anyone wants? Even the most hardline brexiter must know that it would be an absolute disaster not just for our international standing but for the country itself.

TBH I'd imagine the PM (whoever it may be) will be begging the EU for a deal if it gets any closer to us leaving without one.
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