Coronavirus

[Beany]

As I recall there was international funding for the centre (along with others) and I think the US pulled out of that (or they pulled their staff out, or something). So a viral research centre with an unexpected drop in funding and staff has a SNAFU....?

I am, of course, buggered if I can find a link to that now as everything you try to search with respect to the US and the Wuhan lab now goes to more recent think pieces

[GG.]

They were funding Wuhan but not specifically for gain of function tests. Trump pulled the plug on that when he got into power because it was funding to China I think, rather than anything more specific.

I really don't think you could accuse the US of pulling funding causing the Chinese to leak a deadly virus If you can't fund or run short of staff in a top of the biosecurity tree lab, you shut it down, not carry on and cut corners.

Its basically like the Russians and Chernobyl. You absolutely don't want people beholden to a sclerotic communist state apparatus in charge of anything like this - whether that be running nuclear plants or testing lethal viruses

[GG.]

Of course it would need to be definitively proven (and likely never will be) but Occam's razor should lead anyone with an open mind to conclude that the virus just happening to pop up in a town which hosts a BSL-4 lab that just happened to have extensive experience with Coronaviruses and just happened to be experimenting using very dangerous gain of function tests to see which mutations strengthen virus virulence in such Coronaviruses is as least as likely (or within the realms of reasonable debate much more likely) as a jump from bats through an unidentified intermediate host which was then carried hundreds of miles from the nearest key reservoirs of such bat viruses to a wet market in the same town as that BSL 4 lab...

I find it entirely bizarre that people don't see the lab source as the more probable cause. Oh wait, the Chinese government said it wasn't so it must not be...

Read this:

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences ... or-nature/

then this:

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/0 ... rom-a-lab/

And then this (!!) Seems its potentially not even the first fucking time its happened!

https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/4/e01013-15

[duncs500]

Of course it would need to be definitively proven (and likely never will be) but Occam's razor should lead anyone with an open mind to conclude that the virus just happening to pop up in a town which hosts a BSL-4 lab that just happened to have extensive experience with Coronaviruses and just happened to be experimenting using very dangerous gain of function tests to see which mutations strengthen virus virulence in such Coronaviruses is as least as likely (or within the realms of reasonable debate much more likely) as a jump from bats through an unidentified intermediate host which was then carried hundreds of miles from the nearest key reservoirs of such bat viruses to a wet market in the same town as that BSL 4 lab...

I find it entirely bizarre that people don't see the lab source as the more probable cause. Oh wait, the Chinese government said it wasn't so it must not be...

Read this:

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences ... or-nature/

Not surprising really, but a good read to understand the detail a bit better. Another stark reminder that our technological prowess has brought us closer to the brink of extinction than ever before; we're pretty much at the point that a rather small group of individuals with a bit of knowledge and funding could end us all.

[GG.]

I find it entirely bizarre that people don't see the lab source as the more probable cause. Oh wait, the Chinese government said it wasn't so it must not be...

Read this:

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences ... or-nature/

Not surprising really, but a good read to understand the detail a bit better. Another stark reminder that our technological prowess has brought us closer to the brink of extinction than ever before; we're pretty much at the point that a rather small group of individuals with a bit of knowledge and funding could end us all.

Its seems like mainstream journos have now read that piece of work too. This is basically a synopsis with a couple of soundbites added in.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... dismissed/

Most interestingly, Baric, whos kind of collaborated / competed with Shi Zheng-li in this research for years was one of the scientists now calling for a public enquiry into the WIV. That makes Cummings / Boris look like a storm in a very small teacup.

[duncs500]

Surprised this Peter Daszak hasn't got more stick given the apparently obvious conflict of interest and attempts to skew public perception.

[Broccers]

@Rich B its coming look https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/28/indian-c ... -14664817/




Went to the pub last night for the first time since we were allowed inside but sat outside anyway as theyve done a decent job and it wasnt actually fucking raining. Was quite nice to see everyone. I must admit tho theyve done away with sports on t telly and that was mainly why I went in the week.

[Rich B]

@Rich B its coming look https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/28/indian-c ... -14664817/

looks like you're quoting articles designed to sell papers and encourage vaccinations again.

The roadmap is still being followed.

[Broccers]

@Rich B its coming look https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/28/indian-c ... -14664817/

looks like you're quoting articles designed to sell papers and encourage vaccinations again.

The roadmap is still being followed.

Of course it is - its not June the 21st.

[Rich B]

@Rich B its coming look https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/28/indian-c ... -14664817/

looks like you're quoting articles designed to sell papers and encourage vaccinations again.

The roadmap is still being followed.

Of course it is - its not June the 21st.

exactly. It's not the 21st June, so no point speculating or getting all pissy about what may or may not happen on 21st June.

[Broccers]

looks like you're quoting articles designed to sell papers and encourage vaccinations again.

The roadmap is still being followed.

Of course it is - its not June the 21st.

exactly. It's not the 21st June, so no point speculating or getting all pissy about what may or may not happen on 21st June.

But its fun winding you up, its tooo easy.

In all seriousness tho this THAI variant is a worry.

[Rich B]

Of course it is - its not June the 21st.

exactly. It's not the 21st June, so no point speculating or getting all pissy about what may or may not happen on 21st June.

But its fun winding you up, its tooo easy.

In all seriousness tho this THAI variant is a worry.

Looks like your "winding me up" is the same as your "making yourself look stupid". Yep, it's easy.

[Broccers]

exactly. It's not the 21st June, so no point speculating or getting all pissy about what may or may not happen on 21st June.

But its fun winding you up, its tooo easy.

In all seriousness tho this THAI variant is a worry.

Looks like your "winding me up" is the same as your "making yourself look stupid". Yep, it's easy.

If you say so. Enjoy your evening being a miserable cunt

[Simon]

2 things.

I really wouldn't be wanting the J+J vaccine if it were ever a choice (I'm one jab into AZ so far). 67% efficacy averaged across their variant data doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'm done on 21/6. Boris fvcked this up with the Indian import. No way I will suffer any more because of his stupidity. Everyone I want to socialise with will be been near fully vaccinated by then anyway.

[GG.]

67% efficacy averaged across their variant data doesn't fill me with confidence.

This figure is irrelevant as it is the percentage that would be totally asymptomatic and also the trials weren't standardised across all vaccines so it isn't even a reliable comparator. Pfizer and Moderna were run over summer, in the US, so would inevitably show higher rates as there was much less virus around. All the vaccines are 100% at preventing serious illness or death so the difference between them really boils down to the side effect profile.

[jamcg]

I’ve just had my first Pfizer jab about 2hrs ago- and to be honest they could have given me anything that gives some protection and I’d have been happy, because some protection is better than no protection at all. Especially given how many households I enter with work- my record is 10 in one day

Now I’ve just got the wait to see if I get any of the side effects. Currently my arm feels “funny” no pain just a slight feeling like I’ve slept on it

[Aml1987]

I’ve just had my first Pfizer jab about 2hrs ago- and to be honest they could have given me anything that gives some protection and I’d have been happy, because some protection is better than no protection at all. Especially given how many households I enter with work- my record is 10 in one day

Now I’ve just got the wait to see if I get any of the side effects. Currently my arm feels “funny” no pain just a slight feeling like I’ve slept on it

Had my 1st Pfizer Tuesday was fine, Wednesday was bit tired and arm ached if I reached up same Thursday, then woke up with neck and shoulder aches this morning but fine again now fingers crossed that’s it!

[GG.]

Its seems like mainstream journos have now read that piece of work too. This is basically a synopsis with a couple of soundbites added in.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/0 ... dismissed/

And now they've had Wade substantially re-print his essay - I imagine this may start to re-frame the whole discussion.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitn ... ab-really/

[duncs500]

At the risk of upsetting Rich, we do appear to be hurtling towards cancellation of 21st June reopening. I don't know how much longer Boris can keep going on about how he doesn't see anything in the data to stop it.

I feel for the people who have gone on holiday to Portugal, but I guess that is dictated by the criticism the government got for their slow reaction over closing down India.

[integrale_evo]

Anyone who goes abroad without accepting the chance that the COVID status of the place they’re in might change while they’re there is pretty dumb.