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mik
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I’ve been in NI a grand total of 2 times. Once arriving in Larne taking a car to Dublin, and then a second time leaving via Larne taking the same car back to Jockland.

Aka fook all time.

I have zero interest in attempting to apportion blame, but following the footage of the recent rioting I have been shocked & amazed by the images of the “peace gates”. Maybe my own naivety, but I have assumed for years (decades?) that the acceptance / integration was higher now than in days past. I have to admit I feel like a bit of an idiot that I wasn’t aware of massive walls separating groups - locked at night.

Awful state of affairs :(
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Yeah - when they say peace, they very much mean relatively speaking. Plenty of trouble still going on AIUI. Kneecappings are still a thing as well over there no?
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Much of the paramilitary activity shifted to the drugs trade but the underlying sectarianism never went away.

Tinderbox waiting for a spark and it seems Brexit may have been the match...
JLv3.0 wrote: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:26 pm I say this rarely Dave, but listen to Dinny because he's right.
Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:57 pm but Dinny was right…
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I had my stag do in Belfast nearly 9 years ago and I was surprised then about the measures that are still in place. We had a tour from the mini bus driver after being picked up from the airport and in one particular street he warned us that we might have to get out of the area pretty quickly if he'd been spotted by someone who knew him him. This was the time he told us about a panic alarm near the steering column...
I can't remember him referring to them as peace gates but I'm guessing what he was talking about were the same thing. He said people were still being killed for being on the 'wrong' side of the gates after either 10 or 11pm. Some were visiting friends or girlfriends but if they were too late in going back they'd have to be hidden in houses until the next day. Really eye opening.
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Being from the leafy suburbs of East and South Belfast the segregation and violence, mostly in inner city West and North Belfast, for the most part seemed very distant to me. Sectarian decisions have very rarely entered my experience of living in the city - there's only really one stand out incident when I was in a car with two colleagues and one asked me about my trip to Rome and if I'd seen the Pope, then the other with no irony at all said "I fucking hate the Pope, I hate Catholics." The guy was a teenager from a segregated protestant area and I guess it didn't even occur to him that he might have known any Catholics, even though the colleague who asked me the question was a ginger guy called Mick.

There's still a lot of segregation in parts of the city and a lot of the people who live there don't have many opportunities and see their identity as being primary unionist or nationalist. Every few years something happens that makes either side feel that their side is being disadvantaged or ignored, and it boils over into protests and violence. The images last week of the double decker bus on fire were particularly shocking though - I can't remember anything that visually striking in a long time.

Kneecappings / punishment beatings and internal fall outs within paramilitary groups still happen quite regularly. Bomb scares are still not uncommon but mostly hoaxes, although here's an example of a small one that exploded in Newry a few weeks ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 455770.amp
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Pete_ wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 am Being from the leafy suburbs of East and South Belfast the segregation and violence, mostly in inner city West and North Belfast, for the most part seemed very distant to me. Sectarian decisions have very rarely entered my experience of living in the city - there's only really one stand out incident when I was in a car with two colleagues and one asked me about my trip to Rome and if I'd seen the Pope, then the other with no irony at all said "I fucking hate the Pope, I hate Catholics." The guy was a teenager from a segregated protestant area and I guess it didn't even occur to him that he might have known any Catholics, even though the colleague who asked me the question was a ginger guy called Mick.

There's still a lot of segregation in parts of the city and a lot of the people who live there don't have many opportunities and see their identity as being primary unionist or nationalist. Every few years something happens that makes either side feel that their side is being disadvantaged or ignored, and it boils over into protests and violence. The images last week of the double decker bus on fire were particularly shocking though - I can't remember anything that visually striking in a long time.

Kneecappings / punishment beatings and internal fall outs within paramilitary groups still happen quite regularly. Bomb scares are still not uncommon but mostly hoaxes, although here's an example of a small one that exploded in Newry a few weeks ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 455770.amp
It’s only about ten years ago. I remember arriving the day after a bus being high jacked and staying in the city centre. It felt like a COVID ghost town.
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When I was 22 my girlfriend lived in Portadown. I couldn't speak when out and there was snipers in every bush. It's all about drugs and always has been.
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From 2002 to about 2014 I went every 8 weeks (sun-thurs) and never had a bit of bother. I love the place. Driving around some areas of Belfast on UK plates drew some suspicious looks 😂

Yes, there are places that you just don't go but that's the same in most big cities over here. The people are great and it's got some lovely countryside. The Guinness is great as is the food and the hospitality. I'm due to have a business trip later this year and am looking forward to it.
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