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Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:20 pm
by Ascender
JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:39 pm
Discussion is pointless.
That’s the other side to it. There’s no sign that any more debating will achieve anything, so all they’re doing is maybe cutting to the chase and saving us from another 5 weeks of pointless waffle.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:24 pm
by Beany
This is the problem, isn't it?
Pretty much every option - no deal, WA, revoke Article 50, is now considered to be political suicide to the various parties and persons who might propose, or oppose, such things.
Our parliamentarians are a bunch of spineless fucks.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 pm
by DeskJockey
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Doesn't make it right though.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Doesn't make it right though.
I'm not saying it does. But it's a constitutional tool at the Government's disposal, that has been used before (for questionable reasons by a staunch Remainer ironically enough).
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pm
by Sundayjumper
Ascender wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:20 pm
There’s no sign that any more debating will achieve anything, so all they’re doing is maybe cutting to the chase and saving us from another 5 weeks of pointless waffle.
I agree with this.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:37 pm
by DeskJockey
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:32 pm
DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Doesn't make it right though.
I'm not saying it does. But it's a constitutional tool at the Government's disposal, that has been used before (for questionable reasons by a staunch Remainer ironically enough).
I know that's not what you said, just pointing it out.
Frankly the whole situation is appalling, no matter which way you look at it.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:53 pm
by speedingfine
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
How long did Major do that for out of interest?
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:19 pm
by DeskJockey
Sadly the Queen didn't stop it.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:19 pm
by Jobbo
The Privy Council has obtained the Queen's order proroguing Parliament:
https://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk ... n-council/ (see 28 Aug business).
So it's going ahead, subject to the legal challenge in the Scottish court (which I suspect will fail because the court will, I imagine, feel constitutionally obliged to follow the order of the Queen).
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:23 pm
by Beany
DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:19 pm
Sadly the Queen didn't stop it.
Fuck that cunt.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
speedingfine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:53 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
How long did Major do that for out of interest?
Having had a dig about, 6 weeks it seems. From 21 March 1997 until the GE that year (1 May). Prorogued on a Friday when the Cash for Questions report was due on the following Mon/Tue.
ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pm
by Jobbo
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm
ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
That's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:31 pm
by Mito Man
Yep it’s not like the poor bastards have been working much, if at all...
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:36 pm
by Marv
DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:19 pm
Sadly the Queen didn't stop it.
Viva la revolution.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:41 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm
ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
That's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.
No, really?!
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:42 pm
by Jobbo
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:41 pm
Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 pm
ETA: I also didn't realise just how long this Parliamentary session had been sitting. Since 21 June 2017! Longest since 1653.
That's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.
No, really?!
Well what was your point? The length of a Parliamentary session isn't fixed, but the whole idea of Parliament having to be ended and start again is a nonsense except at elections.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:10 pm
by NotoriousREV
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:27 pm
NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:17 pm
The number of people gleefully supporting this action (not necessarily here, btw), simply because it delivers the thing they want, without thinking it through is staggering.
Could you imagine this happening on any other subject? Abolishing the NHS? Scrapping pensions? Banning abortion? Introducing a night curfew? Annexing Eire? It’s a genuine slippery slope. If they can do this now, then we have no democratic control whatsoever.
It's been done before by Major. Cash for questions scandal.
Calling a general election is very, very different from what Johnson is doing here, even if still morally questionable, and the report was still published. Neil Hamilton lost his seat (and his credibility) and, of course, Labour ousted the Conservative government by a landslide.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:13 pm
by NotoriousREV
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:03 am
JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:53 am
Being governed by Europe doesn't sound so bad now, eh lads
This sort of sh1t is their bread and butter
Name one occasion when the Europe Council or the European Commission has either a) prevented the European Parliament from sitting or b) dictated the agenda of the European Parliament.
I’ll wait.
For everyone else, whilst Mike is looking this up, the answer is “never”.
Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:36 pm
by Swervin_Mervin
Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:42 pm
Swervin_Mervin wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:41 pm
Jobbo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:30 pm
That's not really a practical issue though. It hasn't actually been sitting throughout the summer recess, so it's not as if the MPs are tired out.
No, really?!
Well what was your point? The length of a Parliamentary session isn't fixed, but the whole idea of Parliament having to be ended and start again is a nonsense except at elections.
No point as such, just a surprised observation.