Re: Bye Bye Boris!
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:45 pm
I expect Boris’ answer to that will be “and?”
I expect Boris’ answer to that will be “and?”
We can but hope. We Brits have a tendency to get all het up about things, but ultimately letting them slide.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:08 pm
The only glimmer of hope out of this entire shitshow is that it's the beginning of the end of our old style politics. Unfortunately, we've still got a long way to go before things start to improve, and I suspect it needs things to get worse before they get better i.e. everyone needs to understand for themselves what a shitshow everything became.
I agree with your point, but whatever motivated them to vote leave, they and their children will suffer the consequences far more than most of us. That is what I'm despairing about. And three years in, when it has been proven that there isn't anything to be hopeful about when it comes to Brexit, why aren't they demanding another say? If for no other reason than to confirm their original vote. I don't understand it.Carlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:57 pmThis forum is typically the mass affluent so probably not in the best place to judge people who have nothing and when you have nothing you can't be worse off. Rather than label people stupid, racist and so on why not accept that some people will want a change as they can't imagine a more dire situation than they are in and a little bit of them hopes it's an opportunity for something different ?DeskJockey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:26 am I despair. Those that voted leave will be hurt, and in turn this will deprive their children even more.
ETA - that's not aimed at anyone in particular
Go to any shipyard in the UK swamped with foreign workers with no qualifications apart from “I’m a fitter” and you will see at least one example. I’m not saying they can’t do the work but in the same way the local guys just cannot compete on price.DeskJockey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:23 pmI agree with your point, but whatever motivated them to vote leave, they and their children will suffer the consequences far more than most of us. That is what I'm despairing about. And three years in, when it has been proven that there isn't anything to be hopeful about when it comes to Brexit, why aren't they demanding another say? If for no other reason than to confirm their original vote. I don't understand it.Carlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:57 pmThis forum is typically the mass affluent so probably not in the best place to judge people who have nothing and when you have nothing you can't be worse off. Rather than label people stupid, racist and so on why not accept that some people will want a change as they can't imagine a more dire situation than they are in and a little bit of them hopes it's an opportunity for something different ?DeskJockey wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:26 am I despair. Those that voted leave will be hurt, and in turn this will deprive their children even more.
ETA - that's not aimed at anyone in particular
But now that we know that all EU citizens in the UK automatically have the right to stay, therefore won't fix that issue, why not ask for another vote? What have they got to lose?V8Granite wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:10 amGo to any shipyard in the UK swamped with foreign workers with no qualifications apart from “I’m a fitter” and you will see at least one example. I’m not saying they can’t do the work but in the same way the local guys just cannot compete on price.DeskJockey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:23 pmI agree with your point, but whatever motivated them to vote leave, they and their children will suffer the consequences far more than most of us. That is what I'm despairing about. And three years in, when it has been proven that there isn't anything to be hopeful about when it comes to Brexit, why aren't they demanding another say? If for no other reason than to confirm their original vote. I don't understand it.Carlos wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:57 pm
This forum is typically the mass affluent so probably not in the best place to judge people who have nothing and when you have nothing you can't be worse off. Rather than label people stupid, racist and so on why not accept that some people will want a change as they can't imagine a more dire situation than they are in and a little bit of them hopes it's an opportunity for something different ?
ETA - that's not aimed at anyone in particular
They brought it upon themselves in many cases though due to the unions (I openly hate unions in the uk, so I’m biased) but it doesn’t change their current situation.
I wonder what the mix is with regards to non skilled labour and skilled labour from Europe is ? That has a big impact on what jobs are affected and how people want to vote.
Dave!
I don’t know what others thought but I always presumed that if you were settled in the uk already then you should be allowed to stay. I’ve no idea how the mechanics of that work though in how you claim to live in the uk.DeskJockey wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:22 amBut now that we know that all EU citizens in the UK automatically have the right to stay, therefore won't fix that issue, why not ask for another vote? What have they got to lose?V8Granite wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:10 amGo to any shipyard in the UK swamped with foreign workers with no qualifications apart from “I’m a fitter” and you will see at least one example. I’m not saying they can’t do the work but in the same way the local guys just cannot compete on price.DeskJockey wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:23 pm
I agree with your point, but whatever motivated them to vote leave, they and their children will suffer the consequences far more than most of us. That is what I'm despairing about. And three years in, when it has been proven that there isn't anything to be hopeful about when it comes to Brexit, why aren't they demanding another say? If for no other reason than to confirm their original vote. I don't understand it.
They brought it upon themselves in many cases though due to the unions (I openly hate unions in the uk, so I’m biased) but it doesn’t change their current situation.
I wonder what the mix is with regards to non skilled labour and skilled labour from Europe is ? That has a big impact on what jobs are affected and how people want to vote.
Dave!
It's infuriating to me that a lot of people complain about the treatment of working class people in this country then go on to say that they hate unions.
Define “good thing”? As someone sending mail/packages on those dates, as an executive of the company, as an employee not getting paid on those days, it could be considered a “bad thing”.
Spot on - how to lose your 51 percent share of the market forever. Then they'll all be moaning that they have no jobs.
Bad. I for one am looking forward to us opening the coal mines back up, bringing back ration books and rebuilding the empire. We can all muck in with some proper wartime spirit and get rid of all the bloody johnnies.NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:10 am
Is it a “good thing” or a “bad thing” that we don’t all work in mills 6.5 days a week, 12 hours per day, from the age of 8?
I can only talk about my experience but for us Royal Mail are the cheapest by quite a long way. If they strike over Black Friday it would be a hassle but not enough to overcome the cost of moving to someone else.