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Rich B wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:13 pm Isn’t that pretty much the normal curve for most proper supercars - Appreciate with all the buzz of newness and waiting lists, then fall when the next big thing is announced and they are forgotten (and the reality of maintenance after warranty kicks in), then eventually settle and appreciate when everyone gets nostalgic and the collectors are looking for new classics to fill their polished garages.

The length of time it takes on the graph varies and there’ll always be a few stand outs like the F1.

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:16 pm Battery packs, wheels needing replacing with tyres, fuel tanks... super cars all have their legendary big bills.

GG. wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:47 pm I think he had previously posted on this. I believe on the P1 if, for whatever reason, you let the battery drain to zero (i.e. your trickle chargers dies or power trips off whilst you're away), you have to replace the whole battery pack

Here you go:

The downsides to this are the extra 155 Lbs of batteries mounted directly behind the back wall of the passenger cabin and the fact that the P1 needs to be kept on a massive battery conditioner whenever it is garaged. If the batteries go dead, McLaren will happy replace them for a figure north of $70k. I know of several cases where this has happened. It’s the massive iron battery conditioner which is the weak link in this whole system though. If you have a power outage, you need to manual restart the battery conditioner when power is restored. For most owners this is probably not a major issue or concern. In my case it became a major risk factor as I travel extensively, in many instances for multiple weeks at a time, and live in an area that seems to get hit by power outages at least once every few weeks. Hence every vacation and long business trip came with a potential extra $70k surcharge.

The downsides to this are the extra 155 Lbs of batteries mounted directly behind the back wall of the passenger cabin and the fact that the P1 needs to be kept on a massive battery conditioner whenever it is garaged. If the batteries go dead, McLaren will happy replace them for a figure north of $70k. I know of several cases where this has happened. It’s the massive iron battery conditioner which is the weak link in this whole system though. If you have a power outage, you need to manual restart the battery conditioner when power is restored. For most owners this is probably not a major issue or concern. In my case it became a major risk factor as I travel extensively, in many instances for multiple weeks at a time, and live in an area that seems to get hit by power outages at least once every few weeks. Hence every vacation and long business trip came with a potential extra $70k surcharge.

GG. wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:40 pm To move back on to the more general question of the values for these things in the market - I think there is a lot of investment bubble going on in this recently (i.e. last 5 years) too. The 911R isn't a supercar but has still followed that same trajectory of initial peak post launch and then crash back to lower levels. That obviously has nothing to do with running costs.

DaveE wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:59 pm

The downsides to this are the extra 155 Lbs of batteries mounted directly behind the back wall of the passenger cabin and the fact that the P1 needs to be kept on a massive battery conditioner whenever it is garaged. If the batteries go dead, McLaren will happy replace them for a figure north of $70k. I know of several cases where this has happened. It’s the massive iron battery conditioner which is the weak link in this whole system though. If you have a power outage, you need to manual restart the battery conditioner when power is restored. For most owners this is probably not a major issue or concern. In my case it became a major risk factor as I travel extensively, in many instances for multiple weeks at a time, and live in an area that seems to get hit by power outages at least once every few weeks. Hence every vacation and long business trip came with a potential extra $70k surcharge.

Then buying one was a bad decision.

In the same way that if you're away for weeks at a time and no one else is at home, a pet would be a bad thing to buy.

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:24 pm Veyron. I’m not arguing or trying to win GG - this isn’t a court. I’m discussing it - SSO asked for comments and I expect is liking that it is being discussed!

SSO wrote:Enzo, LaFerrari, P1 and 918 will continue to slide south in value to a bit below the original list prices before starting to trend back up as they age from latest thing to collectable classic.

IanF wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:06 pm

GG. wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:40 pm To move back on to the more general question of the values for these things in the market - I think there is a lot of investment bubble going on in this recently (i.e. last 5 years) too. The 911R isn't a supercar but has still followed that same trajectory of initial peak post launch and then crash back to lower levels. That obviously has nothing to do with running costs.

911R - ‘16-‘17: 400k, 17-18: 250-350k, 19- : 215-240k

Probably can see when the Touring was announced. One going for sale this month at Scène with a £240-280k estimate.

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:24 pm Veyron