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If you have a flight problem, and you can find him. Maybe you can hire... The Reverand.

Tbh I think Rev is getting a raw deal here. He clearly knows a lot on the subject and the responses he's getting are not particularly convincing.

Put it this way - I know a fuck sight more about cars than the cunts who drive me home from the pub

And in terms of who to let fly the plane, it's really quite straightforward. 1st world countries only, and that excludes the French.

JLv3.0 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:10 am 1st world countries only, and that excludes the French.

Sounds like a plan - will eliminate Ryanair for a start...

Damn right. I mean FFS - Irish pilots?!! Can you imagine?

Drinking and fighting all the way there and back?!

Nope - not on my watch.

A good update from my favourite commentator

Yeah, I read that yesterday. Gauges I can sort of understand, but surely the disagree warning is sort of important? We always get told that aircraft use a belt and braces approach to everything and yet here we are in 2019 still making basic mistakes like this.

It's a weird thing to omit, isn't it. Maybe the intern did that bit.

NotoriousREV wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:29 am Yeah, I read that yesterday. Gauges I can sort of understand, but surely the disagree warning is sort of important? We always get told that aircraft use a belt and braces approach to everything and yet here we are in 2019 still making basic mistakes like this.

yep - looks like a shot in the foot from Boeing.

I’d like to buy a 737 Max please

Great. We can also offer paint protection, wheel kerbing insurance, and there is an optional extra of an AOA Disagreement Gauge for £lots

I’m not interested in all that pish, but I want the gauge thrown in for £none

<sucking of air through teeth>
<regulation 20 seconds of silence>

I will have to go and ask the boss. I’ll do my best for you, but you’re asking a lot

#WizardOfOz routine

It boggles my mind $117,000,000 for the plane. How much is the extra bit? It's like arguing over floor mats.

Like the fact that airlines won't pay for constant satellite GPS tracking allowing MH370 to totally vanish. Bizarre.

tim wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:35 pm It boggles my mind $117,000,000 for the plane. How much is the extra bit? It's like arguing over floor mats.

theres a fair bit of embroidery required for the bhp to take into account though....

even though the 737 MAX has multiple AOA sensors for redundancy, MCAS relied on only one of them at a time for input.

Quality bit of software engineering there for a safety-critical system.

JonMad wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:56 pm

even though the 737 MAX has multiple AOA sensors for redundancy, MCAS relied on only one of them at a time for input.

Quality bit of software engineering there for a safety-critical system.

I was reading (here we go again!) that it alternates between each sensor every time the system is started, so it's not like they only hooked it up to one sensor, they can get data from either so all they've done is save themselves a few lines of code. This also causes a problem for maintenance, because if they get an MCAS fault due to a sensor reading, they don't know which sensor was in use at the time. Brilliant.

The problem seems to be that they downgraded the criticality of the system so that they could sign it off themselves instead of the FAA.

This whole palaver is gonna cost Boeing big time. One carrier has already cancelled a $6 billion order of Max 8's.

GG. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:37 pm Like the fact that airlines won't pay for constant satellite GPS tracking allowing MH370 to totally vanish. Bizarre.

I still find this incredible. Bloody £500 drones have had this for years yet airplanes don’t.

Mito Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:32 pm

GG. wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:37 pm Like the fact that airlines won't pay for constant satellite GPS tracking allowing MH370 to totally vanish. Bizarre.

I still find this incredible. Bloody £500 drones have had this for years yet airplanes don’t.

That's not the same thing. All airliners have GPS. It's the fact about whether they transmit their location or not. A £500 drone can't transmit it's location using satellite relay, only over a 3g/4g network right? Not much good in the location where the plane was lost. Proper satellite tracking uses satellite relay to do that.