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FAO Duncs
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:32 am
by Sundayjumper
The bumpage of the Southern Meet thread reminded me - have you got your car sorted yet ?
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:15 pm
by duncs500
Nah, been too busy to even look at it.
I did try calling Redline a couple of times this week to order the new ignition leads but he must be on holiday or something because nobody answered the phone. Also spoke to a company who do higher performance leads (because upgrade) but they needed me to confirm the dims which I haven't had time to do either.
Got a less rammed calendar for the next few weekends so hopefully I'll be able to look at it.
I'll keep you posted.

Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:43 pm
by mik
Get it sorted whilst the weather is still good Duncs or it'll annoy you.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:07 pm
by duncs500
It's already annoyed me!

Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:33 am
by duncs500
Had a look at the coolant situation yestersay.
So coolant reservoir actually had a bit in it (when I left it before it was dry), which I thought was odd. Anyway topped it up to near the max line. I also noticed there was some oil on the floor, it appears to be dripping from the driver's side at the bottom where the gearbox and engine join. No evidence of anywhere else in the engine bay.
So anyway, I topped the oil up, ran the engine for a while (which seemed normal), checked the oil and the level seemed fine. Took it out for a drive, expecting the misfire to be there, but at least wanting to get to the bottom of the coolant issue. Weirdly initially there was no sign of the misfire when I drove it round the block so I decided to take it a bit further. Sure enough it started appearing again so I decided to head for home.
When at home, before turning it off I took the bonnet and nose cone off to look for signs of the coolant leak. The fan was on at this point. The coolant reservoir was now full up well over the max level. No sign of leakage. So I shut the engine off, and then all the coolant got sucked out of the reservoir and I could hear the cap squealing as it was continuing to suck. Put a little more water in which soon got swallowed up... wouldn't be surprised if it was full again later as there was nothing visible externally so I can't see that it's going anywhere.
Does any of this make sense? I do start to get the feeling misfire is related to heat levels given that initially it was ok, in which case I presume it is a doomsday HGF situation?

I always thought HGF was quick and unexpected though?
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:08 am
by Sundayjumper
I’ll be honest - I don’t like the sound of that. Any sign of oil in water or vice-versa ? I think you’ll need to get it booked in for some investigation.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:14 am
by speedingfine
duncs500 wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:33 am
Had a look at the coolant situation yestersay.
So coolant reservoir actually had a bit in it (when I left it before it was dry), which I thought was odd. Anyway topped it up to near the max line. I also noticed there was some oil on the floor, it appears to be dripping from the driver's side at the bottom where the gearbox and engine join. No evidence of anywhere else in the engine bay.
So anyway, I topped the oil up, ran the engine for a while (which seemed normal), checked the oil and the level seemed fine. Took it out for a drive, expecting the misfire to be there, but at least wanting to get to the bottom of the coolant issue. Weirdly initially there was no sign of the misfire when I drove it round the block so I decided to take it a bit further. Sure enough it started appearing again so I decided to head for home.
When at home, before turning it off I took the bonnet and nose cone off to look for signs of the coolant leak. The fan was on at this point. The coolant reservoir was now full up well over the max level. No sign of leakage. So I shut the engine off, and then all the coolant got sucked out of the reservoir and I could hear the cap squealing as it was continuing to suck. Put a little more water in which soon got swallowed up... wouldn't be surprised if it was full again later as there was nothing visible externally so I can't see that it's going anywhere.
Does any of this make sense? I do start to get the feeling misfire is related to heat levels given that initially it was ok, in which case I presume it is a doomsday HGF situation?

I always thought HGF was quick and unexpected though?
The cap sounds faulty if it's air or coolant escaping. I would definitely order another given how cheap they are and how often they break.
Also K Series' in Caterhams are renowned for difficulties in bleeding them, you have to jack the front end in the air or believe it or not blow into the tank to sort it out so that may also be worth a try.
Oil you can see may well just be excess coming out of a breather depending on how much is there.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:11 am
by duncs500
Sundayjumper wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:08 am
I’ll be honest - I don’t like the sound of that. Any sign of oil in water or vice-versa ? I think you’ll need to get it booked in for some investigation.
Nah, can't see anything unusual looking about the oil or the coolant TBH.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 am
by duncs500
speedingfine wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:14 am
The cap sounds faulty if it's air or coolant escaping. I would definitely order another given how cheap they are and how often they break.
Also K Series' in Caterhams are renowned for difficulties in bleeding them, you have to jack the front end in the air or believe it or not blow into the tank to sort it out so that may also be worth a try.
Oil you can see may well just be excess coming out of a breather depending on how much is there.
Would they have bled the system when they changed the hoses? Because they changed the hoses at the last service. If they didn't bleed it properly could that have fucked it up?
I wouldn't know how to do it myself.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 am
by speedingfine
Quick thought, if you're in the 7 club Duncs, the area rep will probably recommend a member local to you who can come and have a look on an evening? They'll definitely know how to bleed a K if they've had one for long

Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:19 am
by duncs500
TBH I'm getting to the point where I just want to send it to James Whiting on a trailer.
I definitely don't trust this crowd I sent it to last time, I wasn't impressed with some of their practices or workmanship.
On that note, Chris, do you know where I can get a new Dzus wing head for under the nose cone? It went missing after the service and I don't really want to pay over £20 postage to the US supplier on ebay!
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:33 am
by Sundayjumper
duncs500 wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:15 amWould they have bled the system when they changed the hoses?
Yes, definitely. I was forgetting the hoses had been changed recently. That might well be the answer.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:39 am
by integrale_evo
They should have but who knows whether it was done properly or not?
The k series is a right bugger to bleed sometimes, there was definitely a certain knack to getting it right in our metros which more often than not would lead to the coolant boiling itself out of the cap.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:43 am
by mik
Still sounds like HG to me - which is far from the end of the world - but i think your inkling to get it to a knowledgeable specialist is probably the right line to follow.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:08 pm
by integrale_evo
They are headgasket like symptoms, but airlocks can do that too. Usually a head gasket, cracked liner or cracked or porus head will pressurise the cooling system to the point it fountains out of the cap or bursts a hose if you give it a bit of stick.
The misfire would link in to moisture in the cylinder, but if the lead is as bad as was thought previously then it could be giving false symptoms, and you'd expect enough water in a cylinder to cause a misfire to be pissing out of the exhaust and leave obvious signs on the piston crown / spark plugs, or at a minimum leave a nice steam trail behind you.
Try and find a garage that can do a sniffer test to see if you're getting exhaust gasses in the coolant.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:10 pm
by duncs500
integrale_evo wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:08 pm
They are headgasket like symptoms, but airlocks can do that too. Usually a head gasket, cracked liner or cracked or porus head will pressurise the cooling system to the point it fountains out of the cap or bursts a hose if you give it a bit of stick.
The misfire would link in to moisture in the cylinder, but if the lead is as bad as was thought previously then it could be giving false symptoms, and you'd expect enough water in a cylinder to cause a misfire to be pissing out of the exhaust and leave obvious signs on the piston crown / spark plugs, or at a minimum leave a nice steam trail behind you.
Try and find a garage that can do a sniffer test to see if you're getting exhaust gasses in the coolant.
No obvious steam out of the exhaust. Would it run perfactly when not under load with HGF?
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:30 pm
by integrale_evo
Hard to say.
Usually they run worse when cold as the water seeps into the cylinder when it's sat, it'll then clear and smoke a bit as it starts to fire and burn off the moisture.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:47 pm
by IanF
Duncs, I’d go with your own suggestion and take it somewhere reputable so they can diagnose it. Even if you find the solution by trial, error and vague internet ideas, would you feel comfortable fixing it and then driving it spiritedly? And that’s ignoring the fact you could be making it worse by your own fiddling.
I get the wanting to fix it yourself mindset, but if it was serious enough to stop you from driving it on a track day, I’d say this isn’t the best place to start developing your own skills. Get it fixed, have a great few drives before summer ends, and then think about upgrading thing/tinkering afterwards.

Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:04 pm
by scotta
IanF wrote: Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:47 pm
Duncs, I’d go with your own suggestion and take it somewhere reputable so they can diagnose it. Even if you find the solution by trial, error and vague internet ideas, would you feel comfortable fixing it and then driving it spiritedly? And that’s ignoring the fact you could be making it worse by your own fiddling.
I get the wanting to fix it yourself mindset, but if it was serious enough to stop you from driving it on a track day, I’d say this isn’t the best place to start developing your own skills. Get it fixed, have a great few drives before summer ends, and then think about upgrading thing/tinkering afterwards.
As Iain says. HGF on a K-Series shouldn't be ruinously expensive. Mines was done prior to me buying it and im sure the bill is around £200. Be an even easier job on your 7 than wrestling the head out the elise's rear hatch.
Re: FAO Duncs
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:08 pm
by integrale_evo
It's still not screaming headgasket to me.
Find somewhere that can do a cooling system pressure test and a sniffer test. If the gasket has gone and it's pressurising the cooling system it should be pretty obvious with the right diagnostic equipment.
And get some new leads as one falling apart previously is a good sign at least one is past its best.
I managed to trap the coil lead on my e30 under the edge of the bonnet somehow. It looked fine and ran ok sometimes, but random misfires which would then clear. Took me agaves to remember the lead incident and stick a new one on. Hey presto, instant cure!