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There's loads of lobbying and negotiating around softening the EU 2035 ban on ICE cars, with a suggestion there will be a small allowance for non-electric cars to be made after that cutoff.

https://archive.is/xuuiW

Hopefully they see sense, still lots of development left in the IC engine and a ready built infrastructure is already in place.

Beats power lines, stupid solar fields and ugly windmills.

Not biased, more Bwarp noises please.

Dave!

It’s meaningless for most people though. It’s pretty much an exemption for very high end cars. 10% of car output exempt and a host of other strings attached on top. Good news if you’re buying the next generation La Ferrari or P1 or 918.

I thought it was a massive reduction in CO2, not a percentage of all vehicles ?

Dave!

Yeah, but kinda will be the same thing. We’re currently not even in the 55% emission reduction bracket which will take place in 2030, just look at how heavily hybridised and expensive everything has got. And many manufacturers haven’t even hit that and are backdating it with proposed future EV sales. 55% will be even more grim but you’ll still be able to buy a 911 type hybridised sports car. 90% will only leave the very top stuff alone.

10% isn’t so bad for people like us is it?

I mean, how many M3s do they sell vs regular or type Rs vs regular civic etc?

Would probably kill off mid range warm ‘sporty’ stuff though

I saw some maths on a tweet but it’s more like 1 in 11 or 12 cars can be ICE/hybrid. But then you’d also have to consider carbon credits sharing and pooling. Is it more valuable for BMW to make a hybrid M3 or just have a M8 and give the rest to Rolls Royce.

By 2030, they may have negotiated it from 90% to 70%

Also remember there is now even more incentive for more engine development.

All positive steps.

Dave!

Mito Man wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:35 pm I saw some maths on a tweet but it’s more like 1 in 11 or 12 cars can be ICE/hybrid. But then you’d also have to consider carbon credits sharing and pooling. Is it more valuable for BMW to make a hybrid M3 or just have a M8 and give the rest to Rolls Royce.

I’d have thought the more luxurious stuff would be better suited to a silent silky smooth drivetrain where you don’t really need to care about weight or handling finesse anyway.

integrale_evo wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 9:35 pm

Mito Man wrote: Tue Dec 16, 2025 7:35 pm I saw some maths on a tweet but it’s more like 1 in 11 or 12 cars can be ICE/hybrid. But then you’d also have to consider carbon credits sharing and pooling. Is it more valuable for BMW to make a hybrid M3 or just have a M8 and give the rest to Rolls Royce.

I’d have thought the more luxurious stuff would be better suited to a silent silky smooth drivetrain where you don’t really need to care about weight or handling finesse anyway.

But sat at a charging station along with the other plebs doesn’t scream luxury does it

All speculation but I'm hoping sense will prevail with range extender or hybrid type tech to qualify.

The new Smart#5&6 PHEV does 177 miles on electric with 430bhp. There must be some middle ground that can be agreed on PHEV mandates to satisfy an EV requirement e.g minimum 150 mile range which would exceed plenty of 2020 EV ranges!