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Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 12:16 pm
by mik
So a few weeks back Mr @scotta forwarded an email from Alpine inviting people to apply to join an experience day at Knockhill. I stuck my details in and kinda forgot about it, until I got a phone call confirming my place. And so did Scott. And his eldest boy. And his missus. And his brother. And niece. And her husband. And several other people he knows…… :geek:

The circuit already uses A110’s as their experience cars, and the format was to pair each attendee up with an instructor to complete a couple of “do it like this” laps, before swapping seats. They also invited existing customers to take their Alpine’s on-track.

Fast forward to the day, and during registration I’m asked if I’m taking my car on track. No – I don’t own an Alpine. “That’s OK – the session is open. Up to you”. Scott had actually mused the evening before that this might happen, but I was still a bit surprised at this – so went with an “erm – maybe?” and got signed on accordingly.

So it turned out that the open track sessions were completely separated from the experience sessions. Which makes complete sense when I actually give it any thought. Scott – spitting feathers about his A110 being out of action for this opportunity - headed off to the pits in his BMW like a scalded rat. By the time I’d rolled round there everything was emptied from his boot, he and one of his boys had their helmets on and – they were off.

I’m still somewhat hesitant at this point. I don’t have track cover on my normal insurance, and I hadn’t arranged any specific track cover. Whilst I wasn’t aware of any issue with the car that might prevent me taking it on a track, I hadn’t done any prep on the car. And whilst I know Knockhill, I don’t know Knockhill. Really not sure this is wise?

But the weather is gorgeous. Track-spec brake fluid put in for Anglesey is less than a year old and pads, discs and tyres are all good. I have my helmet with me as I assumed we’d need one for the experience sessions (we didn’t) and the track is currently occupied by Scott in his BMW, one of his A110 owning mates, and….. there is no and. Just two cars. :?

Danger levels rather massively reduced compared to any normal track-day > my brain risk needle is swinging from “not sure this is wise” to “could you really allow such an opportunity pass you by?”. All loose items out of the car. Helmet on. Scott’s other son suddenly appears at my passenger door – already with his lid on. And we’re trundling down the pit lane.

I wasn’t setting any lap records – avoiding pretty much all kerbs and braking earlier than I needed for most corners. Still reaching well into 4th along the main straight (3rd runs to 101mph, but I wasn’t looking at the speedo). Just did two 6-lap sessions to manage heat and ensure I didn’t get too carried away. But yeah. That was pretty cool, and a nice unexpected surprise.

A110
I’ve passengered in Scott’s A110. I like them. I was lucky to be put in the group for one of the two A110S present – so 300bhp rather than 250bhp. And also lucky to be paired with a young instructor who was knowledgeable on both car and circuit, and encouraged me to press on and use all of the track. No helmets required as they apply an 80mph limit for the day (and apparently according to MrA have the stability control set to Sport as opposed to Track). The speed limit is fairly loosely applied – I backed off at 95 rather than 80 on my laps and he was OK with that. As noted above – I don’t know Knockhill well. The vast majority of my circuit “experience” comes from Project Cars 2, and whilst it’s a great sim – it’s invariably very strict on track limits. Drop your outside wheel fully over the white line and you have an immediate penalty, so you drive to those limits. My instructor unwound big chunks of that – getting all wheels fully up onto the exit kerb at McIntyres so the car is cornering all the way from there to the entry of Butchers. Use lots of entry kerb at the chicane, and again loads of exit kerb at Clarks. It would have been much better if I’d received this guidance before I took the Evora out of course, but hey-ho. And the A110S? Not many laps, so all feelings are really “initial impression” only, but it felt very nicely balanced and you could definitely tell it’s light in the way it moved. Decent steering feel. A bit stiffer than the Evora, so better suited to the track environment, and the OEM PS4 (notS) were finding reasonable grip. I didn’t have the opportunity to stand on the brakes, but assume they’ll be decent with the car lacking mass. DCT changes are really fast, and whilst I still love manuel, there’s no arguing with the efficiency. And yes they are quick little cars. The last 1500rpm or so approaching the redline felt particularly urgent. My only issue was my elbow hitting the side bolster of the seat (which are the same as in Scott’s car) when I needed to apply larger amounts of lock – so this mainly annoyed at the hairpin. I assume this was a wheel / seat height / position issue that I could dial out, but wasn’t going to mess around with it whilst driving. TL;DR? – I still like A110’s.

Edit: Imgur still playing up


Other shizzle
They had a pair of simulators set up in the pits with a fastest-lap competition going on. Some F1 game (driving an Alpine obvs) at Silverstone (full circuit). It was more arcade than sim. Supervised – everyone was allowed only one session comprising 8 laps. Rig was all good Moza kit, but the the wheel force feedback was set at a low level, and the brake pedal in particular was pretty non-feelsome. It took about 5 laps just to settle into the rig, game, and car (I’ve never played a game with F1 cars before) and to understand where track limits were triggered – these were pretty strict and any transgression invalidated your lap. So you only really had around 3 laps by the time you’d found any rhythm.

My final lap was my quickest, and put me on the top of the leaderboard. To be fair I reckon there was still at least another full second pretty easily available with another 10 laps more seat time, but them rules are them rules. All was good until some absolute bellend went faster by 0.08 seconds. At the end of the day I remained in second, and the dicknose remained first.

They also had the electric A290 and A390 there. There are several overlays of A110 "design language" on the latter - particularly the rear hatch/glass area.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 1:38 pm
by scotta
“Some Dicknose”

**WAVES**

And it was 0.8 secs not 0.08. :P

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 2:21 pm
by jamcg
Don’t suppose any alpine techs were on hand to quiz about your issues :lol:

Did you win anything for being the fastest bellend divinise or just bragging rights over mik?

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:26 pm
by nuttinnew
When I read that bit I thought "scotta?" :lol:
Mini scottas are getting a good education 8-)

How many other people up? It seems like you pretty much had the place to yourselves with A110s laid on if you didn't fancy using your own car :o :D 8-)


mik & scotta yesterday;


Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 7:37 pm
by Matty
Sounds like a decent day out for free.

So when you p/x'ing the Evora for an A110?

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:30 pm
by mik
Matty wrote: Sun Jul 20, 2025 7:37 pm
So when you p/x'ing the Evora for an A110?
Nah - gonna get this instead.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 9:44 pm
by DeskJockey
mik wrote: Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:30 pm
Matty wrote: Sun Jul 20, 2025 7:37 pm
So when you p/x'ing the Evora for an A110?
Nah - gonna get this instead.
That sounds like a great idea!

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 9:57 am
by scotta
Really good day. My eldest son is 17 so was absolutely cheesing that he got to drive an A110S on circuit. We managed by chance to be in the same car as Mik was driving. They had 6 experience cars. 2 of which were A110S. I did actually check beforehand which group I was in as I wanted to drive the S. By chance however I was already down for driving the S. my niece has never driven anything properly quick or automatic so she was papping herself. Thoroughlly enjoyed it however. I had my youngest son there as well so I asked if they had some space to get him out for a demonstration drive with one of the instructors. No problem. He was duly slotted into a car with an instructor who proceeded to completely ignore the suggested 80 mph limit and give it maximum attack. Referenced by the fact the brake lights were flashing heading towards duffas 😂 I stuck my head my head in when they returned to the pits with a “That wasn’t 80 mph 😂” to be met with a huge grin. Thanked the guy muchly.

Driving - Comparison wise it’s a bit quicker than mine until I finally manage to get it to Litchfield. Chassis wise it’s difficult to compare. Mines is on the Life110 springs so stiffness is within a few percent of an S but has the softer ARB. Mines is however slightly lower and has had the life110 geo done at spires. Also I’ve yet to drive mine at KH…

As Mik mentioned the track driving wasn’t limited to only Alpine and the sessions were pretty much empty so I thought “Fuck it” and the 128ti had its maiden outing on track. It’s actually not bad at all. I had done literally zero track prep on it which showed in the brakes. It’s still in the factory fluid that’s now done 22k and a set of standard factor pads. Brake performance was actually pretty decent but after 5-6 push laps the pedal was going long. I expect this was the fluid. Had I planned to use it I would have stuck some RBF660 in it and got a better set of front pads. ESP Off is not fully off though. It still has some traction control in there. Clark is an uphill right handed turn that needs a bit of kerb which then leads into a camber change. In the mini you are on the power before the Kerb and keep it flat to get a run on the exit. Couldn’t do that in the BMW. Traction control kicked in as soon as the wheel hopped up. Just meant a slightly different approach and I had to feed the power in progressively.

That said it was still reasonably quick round. Didn’t have the vbox so no laptimes. I reckon it would be similar times to the mini with the power advantage. I was seeing 110-115 on the straights vs 97 vmax in the mini.

Took my niece round for a session then her BF. Both were pretty impressed. Her review was “Absolute madman” and he was very impressed with the car.

So absolutely gutted I didn’t have the Alpine. Speaking to one of my fellow modsports competitors Sean who was there with his dad and his A110. His is pretty decent spec. AST dampers, Life110 map (320 bhp), but still on the PS4. He did a 57.5 which is about similar pace to what I’ve managed in the Elise.


Test drive - A290 GTS. There was some demonstration drives available in the A290. So myself and Mrs A took one out for a drive. GTS so fully kitted and 220 bhp.

Actual car - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details ... um=ios-app

These look fucking great. Devialet hifi upgrade. Really great seats and plenty plenty go. I can see one of these on the drive next year once I’ve got a bit of neg out of the BMW. We’ve got the salary sacrafice at work. I got an offer on a 5 last week for £252 a month all in. (Basic 120 bhp in entry level spec) these are about the £400 mark. But insurance maintenance, tyres and a charger install is included.



F1 SIM - there had been some talk of the winner getting a Knockhill events pass but I’ve not heard anything. I did t chase it as TBF a full track event day including lunch for my family and a bunch of mates was plenty plenty enough for free.

TL;DR - Great day and I’m faster than Mik.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:09 am
by Jobbo
And, I hope, reinforced your love for your own A110 Scott.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:34 am
by scotta
Jobbo wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:09 am And, I hope, reinforced your love for your own A110 Scott.
Ask me again next week once it’s been looked at by RenTec.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:58 am
by Ascender
Fantastic, sounds like a great event, no wonder the teenager was excited 8-)

I missed the start of your woes with the A110 Scott. Is this a know issue others have had or something totally random and difficult to troubleshoot?

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:32 pm
by scotta
Ascender wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:58 am Fantastic, sounds like a great event, no wonder the teenager was excited 8-)

I missed the start of your woes with the A110 Scott. Is this a know issue others have had or something totally random and difficult to troubleshoot?
Nobody has ever seen any issues with this engine. I’ve spoken to several specialists.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:21 pm
by Ascender
scotta wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:32 pm
Ascender wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:58 am Fantastic, sounds like a great event, no wonder the teenager was excited 8-)

I missed the start of your woes with the A110 Scott. Is this a know issue others have had or something totally random and difficult to troubleshoot?
Nobody has ever seen any issues with this engine. I’ve spoken to several specialists.
FFS, what are the chances... Will Alpine do anything to look at it as a goodwill thing/interest in case there's an issue they need to be aware of? Or are you on your own.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:38 pm
by scotta
Ascender wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:21 pm
scotta wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:32 pm
Ascender wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 11:58 am Fantastic, sounds like a great event, no wonder the teenager was excited 8-)

I missed the start of your woes with the A110 Scott. Is this a know issue others have had or something totally random and difficult to troubleshoot?
Nobody has ever seen any issues with this engine. I’ve spoken to several specialists.
FFS, what are the chances... Will Alpine do anything to look at it as a goodwill thing/interest in case there's an issue they need to be aware of? Or are you on your own.
Nah. I’ve spoken with them. It’s out of warranty. Their only suggestion was to take it to an Alpine dealer. They charge £180 + VAT an hour.

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:24 pm
by Matty
scotta wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:38 pm They charge £180 + VAT an hour.
HOW much!?! Does that include helicopter drop off and complimentary hors d'oruvres?

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 6:06 pm
by scotta
Matty wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 3:24 pm
scotta wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 2:38 pm They charge £180 + VAT an hour.
HOW much!?! Does that include helicopter drop off and complimentary hors d'oruvres?
Hence it didn’t go there!

Re: Alpine (of the A110 type) experience

Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2025 7:20 am
by Gavin
Sounds like a fun day out. I remember getting tickets for a Furmula Renault event when a mate bpought a new Clio 172, many years ago. Renault Sport (No Alpine?) were great for freebie events.