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I bought a couple of tickets last year for <something interesting I can't remember> so I am now on their mailing list.

Up this week are tickets for a Morgan 4/4, which is powered by a Ford Sigma 1.6, which I believe pumps out 110bhp.

Clicks here mofo

It's a 2011 vehicle with 1400 miles on the clock. An average of 108 miles PA.

Bets on whether that's a conscious effort to retain it's value, or a reflection of how utterly dismal the driving experience is?

mik wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:43 am I bought a couple of tickets last year for <something interesting I can't remember> so I am now on their mailing list.

Up this week are tickets for a Morgan 4/4, which is powered by a Ford Sigma 1.6, which I believe pumps out 110bhp.

Clicks here mofo

It's a 2011 vehicle with 1400 miles on the clock. An average of 108 miles PA.

Bets on whether that's a conscious effort to retain it's value, or a reflection of how utterly dismal the driving experience is?

I don’t think the kind of people who drive Morgans are looking for the same kind of driving experience we are…

Zonda_ wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:50 am
I don’t think the kind of people who drive Morgans are looking for the same kind of driving experience we are…

As in they enjoy driving experiences that don't involve driving?

mik wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:51 am

Zonda_ wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:50 am
I don’t think the kind of people who drive Morgans are looking for the same kind of driving experience we are…

As in they enjoy driving experiences that don't involve driving?

They like to be seen driving their ancient contraptions. I doubt they even know what engines they have. There are only a few days a year you can do this in one.

I guess they enjoy a narcissistic driving experience?

One of my neighbours has a Morgan. He adores it. He did a long weekend driving holiday in Wales a few weeks ago with other Moggie owners. And he's often polishing it.

Jobbo wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:07 am One of my neighbours has a Morgan. He adores it. He did a long weekend driving holiday in Wales a few weeks ago with other Moggie owners. And he's often polishing it.

I followed a Plus8 just last week along some country roads. Not my thing, but I appreciate that they are at least not-boring.

There was a van in front of him, and since the weather was good I sat respectfully behind (in the Evora) when an overtaking opportunity presented itself. Nope. I did the same at the next overtaking opportunity. Nope. So when the 3rd overtaking opportunity arrived, I activated my indicator, dropped to 3rd, flashed my headlights twice and moved out to pass.... which I had to abort as Mr Morgan decided he was in fact going to overtake the van, despite the fact that I was part way through the process of overtaking him.

Luckily I was keeping a close eye on him, and have the reflexes of A CAT, so I was able to safely deploy the anchors - at which point he spotted me and swerved back into his own lane in a bit of a panic. It was all rather silly. I hung back and let another overtaking opportunity go by - which he didn't take advantage of, before getting bored and passing him + van a few miles later (avec pre-overtake flash of the lights and a brief horn parp to ensure that he knew that like Brick Top, I did mean it. This time.

I regularly see Morgans driving around. Usually by a man with white hair and a beard, so I don’t think they can be that awful to drive or are kept out of use to preserve mileage. By the same token, they’re not something you’re likely to see used as a day to day commuter vehicle in all weathers.

Not sure how I feel about the flashing headlights before overtaking? I'd be concerned that they might take it as a "come on, it's clear, get a move on and overtake" rather than an "I'm overtaking you".

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:32 am Not sure how I feel about the flashing headlights before overtaking? I'd be concerned that they might take it as a "come on, it's clear, get a move on and overtake" rather than an "I'm overtaking you".

This. Flash of headlights generally means “before you sir” over here.

Mito Man wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:35 am

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:32 am Not sure how I feel about the flashing headlights before overtaking? I'd be concerned that they might take it as a "come on, it's clear, get a move on and overtake" rather than an "I'm overtaking you".

This. Flash of headlights generally means “before you sir” over here.

I'm not quite sure what "before you sir" means in this instance?! I'd almost say it's the complete opposite and a flash more often means "after you"?

I don't flash my headlights before overtaking either, for the same reason Rich says. It was recommended by John Lyon who used to write an advanced driver column in Motor back in the 1980s but I don't think it catches the eye of anyone who isn't already looking.

Rich B wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:32 am Not sure how I feel about the flashing headlights before overtaking? I'd be concerned that they might take it as a "come on, it's clear, get a move on and overtake" rather than an "I'm overtaking you".

Yeah, the trouble is that lights and horns have become a rebuke as opposed to a "please note : I am here".

It was recommended on my Advanced Driver training - not for every overtake of course, but where you feel they could be considering an overtake also (as I did in this scenario). The idea is to do it immediately before you start your move into the other lane so you alert them, and as soon as they register that alert, they see you are moving out, so they shouldn't misinterpret it as an expression of "get a move on".

The lady in the video is very smiley and fittingly vintage chic.

Flashing before overtaking someone... yes, feels like a risk of someone seeing what they take to be a 'friendly quick double flash' and pulling out themselves in front of you.
Maybe less of a risk if you give them a single longer, 'I'm here mofo!' blast of light, as you're already accelerating, but then that might cause them to panic and then who knows what they'll do.

General etiquette at least down south is that whenever it’s quite tight and someone indicates to pull out to overtake, the car behind will flash its lights to let them out in front and now that’s ingrained into everything. Motorways, dual carriageway, junctions, all the same.

So I think flashing to then overtake the guy in front is confusing and can lead to a dangerous situation if you mash your foot down and the chap in front takes it as a signal to also pull out and overtake.

Mito Man wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:05 pm General etiquette at least down south is that whenever it’s quite tight and someone indicates to pull out to overtake, the car behind will flash its lights to let them out in front and now that’s ingrained into everything. Motorways, dual carriageway, junctions, all the same.

ive read this about 5 times and still don't get it - I am quite hung over though.

Mito Man wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:05 pm General etiquette at least down south is that whenever it’s quite tight and someone indicates to pull out to overtake, the car behind will flash its lights to let them out in front and now that’s ingrained into everything.

That's stoopid to me. If I am planning an overtake, I don't need permission from the guy following me. I'll check of course that they aren't already coming past me before I move out, but if they aren't : I am proceeding with my plan (as notified to them by my indicator).

Aside from Miks obvious lack of drving prowess , A Morgan I think is like the TVR, if you get them you are happy, if you don't you think of them as a torture implement.
Thinking about the plus 4, they used to do them with a Rover 2.0 16v (I think it was the M16) and these were fairly spritely in a light thing like a morgan, only had about 130bhp or something and with cast iron bottom end they'd probably be quite heavy. So maybe the Sigma (which must be an all Alloy lump surely?) will be a quite a bit lighter and offer similar performance, which while not earth shattering will be pleasing.

We should possibly summon @tim to this discussion as I believe he still does some (bike) tuition. He can give us a completely different 3rd view

Yep never ever ever flash, if I have a slight doubt then I make sure my headlights are on well before but otherwise no.

To me a Flash is saying “out you come” to someone.

Dave!