Speed Limiters - July '24

[Barry]

I'm surprised there's not more chatter about this, landing in July. Switchable for now, but we know that's just to get folk used to them.

https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandat ... rs-in-2024

Personally it means I'll not buy/lease a car if I can't switch it off, it'll dumb drivers down even more too.

The current "safety" systems on my Ioniq6 are frustratingly bad, so I can't see this being any better.

[duncs500]

Purely anecdotal, but I feel like I don't see anywhere near as much speeding as I used to. You just don't see that many people flying down the motorway doing a ton+ anymore, and seems like most of the crashes I see are lack of concentration more than anything (although probably braking assist would help them).

I drove a previous gen Ioniq hire car, and that kept trying to do weird things with the steering, I couldn't get on with it.

[Rich B]

Sorry, your claim isn't valid - you turned off the speed limiter...

[mik]

@Barry - the systems Shirley need to get better before this crap is introduced.

There is a section of road that I travel sporadically that is a 20-limit. If I am in mrs-mik's E-Tron (which is generally very good at getting the limit right) I tend to use the cruise, but if I set it to 23, the car always decides at the same point that it is actually a 30 - and speeds up itself. After approx 50m it will decide it's a 20 again, and reset to 20.... which I then have to manually adjust to 23. I don't drive this section often (and definitely don't drive it often in the E-Tron) but it's memorable 'cos it's so repeatably crap.

[Barry]

I have two issues really yeah, the lazy thinking that no speeding= no crashes, and the systems are actually more dangerous than doing nothing at the moment

Lane assist tries to drive me into parked vehicles

Speed warning reads signs, badly and often side roads instead of the one you're on.

Collision alert panics if I get anywhere near another object, the alert panics me more than the supposed impending collision. Often going off exiting roundabouts, when there's cars offset to the rear. Not what you need when concentrating on a clean exit.

Cruise on the motorway auto activates all the assists, and is quite overly keen to take over.

There's others too,I hate them all.

[Matty]

Won't this massively hit new car sales? Especially in the performance sector?

[Mito Man]

At least it's just one hard press of the throttle to turn off the system for the whole journey from what the EVO story says. Not yet another option in yet another sub menu...

[Jobbo]

Purely anecdotal, but I feel like I don't see anywhere near as much speeding as I used to. You just don't see that many people flying down the motorway doing a ton+ anymore, and seems like most of the crashes I see are lack of concentration more than anything (although probably braking assist would help them).

I agree with you about not as much speeding, but it does feel like you could easily get nabbed by a camera even on a motorway these days so even given a clear motorway I'm pretty circumspect now.

On Saturday afternoon/evening I had to drop my wife at Gatwick so I sat at 75-80mph all the way down the M40 and 65-70 round the M25 with traffic. On the way back I fondly remembered the days - more than 20 years ago - when I'd regularly do pretty much the same trip when I lived in Wimbledon and could just clog it all the way up the M40. I also don't think the overall journey time was any slower now. But I did get off at Oxford on the way home and took the A44 all the way to Worcester. There are still some enjoyable sections along the A44 but with long 20 limits through the middle of Woodstock and Chipping Norton, and the Begbroke/Yarnton bypass reduced to one lane each way these days, it's a much slower journey. Fortunately there wasn't much traffic so I could make progress between towns and villages. But there's no way this part of the A44 would have been recommended if Phil Llewellyn had written his 'Route Master' articles for Car Magazine in the 2020s rather than 30 years earlier.

[Ascender]

At least it's just one hard press of the throttle to turn off the system for the whole journey from what the EVO story says. Not yet another option in yet another sub menu...

Some BMWs have already had this sent via software update depending on their build date in the 23-24 cycle. You can disable it before a journey, but it will re-enable next time the car is switched off.

[Sundayjumper]

Collision alert panics if I get anywhere near another object, the alert panics me more than the supposed impending collision.

The Range Rover has been doing this to me quite regularly.

[Rich B]

Google maps has only just updated to stop telling me to turn right here.



It's only been like this for 6/7 years..

We're not ready for automating elements of driving based on "what the computer says"...

[Barry]

Won't this massively hit new car sales? Especially in the performance sector?

One reason I'm surprised it's not being talked about more, it affects us as enthusiasts, but a portion of the industry as well. What use is Tesla Plaid/Ioniq5N even, let alone legacy ICE stuff?

[Sundayjumper]

https://www.evo.co.uk/news/22326/mandat ... rs-in-2024

Though the UK is no longer in the EU, it has been confirmed that the UK will still utilise the technology, and it's set to come into force in July this year.

aka

Though the UK is no longer in the EU, manufacturers won't do anything different for the UK market because we're not special enough. We're sticking it to the EU ! Hurrah for Sovereignty ! Hurrah for Brexit !

[Sundayjumper]

Won't this massively hit new car sales? Especially in the performance sector?

No.

Customer walks into Ferrari showroom.

"Hello I'd like to buy a Ferarri. Does it have a speed limiter ?"

"Yes"

"Oh, that's a shame, I'll go and buy a Dacia instead, there's no point in buying a car capable of 71mph, that is literally the only consideration that is important to me."

[ZedLeg]

That's what I was thinking tbh. The only argument for a limiter affecting sales is that people buy performance cars specifically to drive in ways that are illegal. Which I'm not sure is a thread we really want to pick at

[Matty]

Won't this massively hit new car sales? Especially in the performance sector?

No.

Customer walks into Ferrari showroom.

"Hello I'd like to buy a Ferarri. Does it have a speed limiter ?"

"Yes"

"Oh, that's a shame, I'll go and buy a Dacia instead, there's no point in buying a car capable of 71mph, that is literally the only consideration that is important to me."

So you can buy the 2024 model, or the 2023 model without it?

[Sundayjumper]

So you can buy the 2024 model, or the 2023 model without it?

Nope. It's one of Mik's polls. Brand new only. Ferrari or Dacia and both have speed limiters (that actually work for sake of argument).

Ferrari bankrupt in a matter of months.

[scotta]

I have two issues really yeah, the lazy thinking that no speeding= no crashes, and the systems are actually more dangerous than doing nothing at the moment

Lane assist tries to drive me into parked vehicles

Speed warning reads signs, badly and often side roads instead of the one you're on.

Collision alert panics if I get anywhere near another object, the alert panics me more than the supposed impending collision. Often going off exiting roundabouts, when there's cars offset to the rear. Not what you need when concentrating on a clean exit.

Cruise on the motorway auto activates all the assists, and is quite overly keen to take over.

There's others too,I hate them all.

Lane assist on the 1 series tried to steer me into a barrier at a contraflow. After that i t was deactivated. Thankfully as its a 2023 car once you turn it off its off and doesn't re-activate.

The speed limit thing just makes the speedo red above the perceived limit - Which it sometimes gets wrong. There is a 40 limit outside a nearby village. The signs are just past a junction. If you turn left the road continues on NSL but the car thinks its a 40. If it had alerts binging at me that would be super annoying. I'm sure with the BMW software I have though you could code that out.

[nuttinnew]

ETSC says the limiters will reduce collisions by 30 per cent and save 25,000 lives within 15 years of being introduced.

Meh, they won't stop fuckwittery or inappropriate speed, and if people can't crash through speeding they'll just find other ways.

Question; how quickly (or at what distance) do they alter speed when the limit changes? Will they have slowed to the lower limit by the start of it or react to the change as they pass the sign?

[mik]

Question; how quickly (or at what distance) do they alter speed when the limit changes? Will they have slowed to the lower limit by the start of it or react to the change as they pass the sign?

E-Tron reads ahead so you are down to the limit as you enter it.